Max value w strong boat

Unknown Villain at these stakes is more likely to donk there with 99, TT, JJ, plus a bunch of other hands he thinks are good for value maybe a4 really doubt k4 but doesn't want to check with the flush on board.
I don't like your raise, you tend to fold out a lot of hands you have dominated then when he reraises you your playing the is he getting it all in with any over pair or just the nuts game which given no reads isn't good. Just call reevaluate on the later streets, try not to get carried away with KK, AA overpairs aren't that good.

With you being so deep your stack to pot ratio is bad for playing KK, AA the way you are.

I don't mind raising this small donk on the flop, but when he 3bets, I would say that we are most likelly in trouble because I don't think he is raising FD's, pocket pairs or 8x. I think we may even fold to his 3bet.

vs unknown that deep we should forget about maximizing valuea.
Our plan from preflop is to win a medium sized pot.
This is why i would flat call on flop, flat on turn and raise on river.

Please correct me if the generic optimal strategy would look different in this spot. (the generic optimal strategy does not seek to maximize ev but it seeks that in the long run you will make a profit no matter who is your opponent )

In my experience those tiny bets are a draw of some sort which they think they'll get a cheap card free by betting small or the nuts which they want to bet something and are scared to bet big and have you fold. I play 1-2K hands of NL5 Zoom a day and face dozens of these situations a day. In my experience at least on the flop they'll small bet call and then fold on turn or river reraise to their smallish bet. I think the reraise is the right line, I disagree with the post saying that it's better to call behind to that smallish bet with that flop. I don't think villain is folding many hands expect the most marginal to your reraise. There is no reason to give a cheap turn card to villain. Considering both are deep I think calling his reraise on the flop is completely ok, you're not going to give KK in to a draw or mid pair. His smallish bet on the turn is perfect to float and see what he does on the river and obviously to see if any draws complete on the river. On the river with the nuts the only things I like to do personally are stall a couple of seconds and "pretend" I'm thinking, before shipping, instashipping gets most of the tightish regulars to fold anything but the nuts. With a huge stack I also like to only reraise exactly the chips villain has or a little less, also to show less strength, allins scare a lot of the people away in tightish NL5. Obviously if we had a read on villain it would be easier to know how willing he is to call allin without the nuts, which we lack in this case.

I'm glad i'm not the only one who would play this way! I'm definitely not convinced i played this hand correctly, but i atleast it wasn't the worst possible play one could make.

@Alleen86: I think some player would do this in this case. He could think i was trying to steal preflop and donks the flop, so he would get the initiative, given that i won't hit something that often on this flop (if he thinks i was stealing, he would assign me alot of marginal hands). He can interpret my raise as a way to try and keep the initiative with 8x or some overcards, try to bluff him out of the hand because some of my hands would only have foldequity on such a board or protecting my valuehands against a FD. That way, in his mind, he could believe that he can semibluff me out the hand or get some extra value when he hits a flush on the turn. I admit, this will not happen in most scenario's, but BU vs BB is one where people could 3bet semibluff OOP. His smallish bet on the turn could also imply a FD or overpair, trying to keep the pot small and giving him better odds to see the R than c/c on T. I believe this is less rare than betting like that with something like A4 or 88 on such a turn (which he probably wouldn't 3bet with on F).

@alenstrat: just for information, i didn't instashove the R, i will almost never do so when i have such an expensive decision to make. I chose to go all in myself, that way i could represent myself as a bad player who missed a FD and won't give up (bad players don't think about betsizing and i'm trying to make him believe i'm weak by representing very strong).

Can anyone try to assign villain a donking range? Often players min donk or small donk with medium made hands or draws.

Originally posted by nitrol
Can anyone try to assign villain a donking range? Often players min donk or small donk with medium made hands or draws.

I agree, but I don't think they 3bet those very often. I think at that point he has 4x, 88 and slowplayed AA most of the time. Sometimes he has QQ-JJ.

Some will make it with 99+ here.

I think that you should fold to the donk-raise move. You'll very often see there.