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25-35bb flat calling raise IP trouble.

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18071987
Joined: 02.05.2007

PokerStars - $5+$0.50|250/500 Ante 60 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 14.65 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 4)
(UTG+1): 56.83 BB
MP: 20.69 BB (VPIP: 11.11, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
MP+1: 31.09 BB (VPIP: 6.45, PFR: 3.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 31)
MP+2: 29.11 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
CO: 24.35 BB (VPIP: 21.98, PFR: 13.26, 3Bet Preflop: 6.45, Hands: 183)
Hero (BTN): 56.83 BB
SB: 7.55 BB (VPIP: 21.18, PFR: 20.99, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 85)
BB: 27.53 BB (VPIP: 17.78, PFR: 13.64, 3Bet Preflop: 5.00, Hands: 45)

9 players post ante of 0.12 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.58 BB) Hero has K♥ Q♥

fold, UTG+1 raise, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero ? , fold, BB calls 1 BB

hi guys,
now I reviewing some hands from tourneys and realize that I have some trouble playing hands 25-35BB deep in position. Should I ever flat cal, hands like KQs, AQs, QJs,. i understand that we want 3bet/fold hands like AQo etch. because of play ability, but what about good suited brodways? You think we have still room for play post flop.

Thanks for any advice, cheers


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Dadramel
Joined: 10.08.2014

Originally posted by 18071987
You think we have still room for play post flop.

Ur in button, ofc flat-calling is ok in this very spot vs UTG


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18071987
Joined: 02.05.2007

Can you more explain why?


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Dadramel
Joined: 10.08.2014

I'd consider his range strong (UTG), u do not want to isolate his worse combionations of hands, leave him wide range so he won't dominate u


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18071987
Joined: 02.05.2007

Originally posted by Berezovaya
I'd consider his range strong (UTG), u do not want to isolate his worse combionations of hands, leave him wide range so he won't dominate u

OK. So I guesss KQo is ok to flat call, even ATo because he heave many Kx, Qx like KJ, QJ that we can dominate pre flop. I am right?


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Dadramel
Joined: 10.08.2014

I would't say he opens Qx but yea, u dont want him to fold that kind of hands, he does if raised


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

To bad we don’t have stats on UTG+1 player, but defending with KQs looks pretty standard to me IP on the button. KQo I would fold, because than you have less flush potential than with KQs.

I also checked the stack sizes and you play still more than 50bb deep and UTG+1 player as well. Only the stacks in blinds are a lot smaller.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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18071987
Joined: 02.05.2007

Hmm. Sounds good. I will be more happy to 3 bet ofsouit brodways for balance my whole range.

Guys what about this situations vs raandom. 30 bb eff. We are on btn we bet 2xbb and we got 3 bet from sb who is active player to 5bb. We have hands:
1. KQs
2. JTs
3. KJo
4. T9s

1. I guess with KQs we have ez call. We want keep in his wife range worse hands.

2. This same argument .

3. Here I am not sure , but propably I will jam here. We have 2 big cards and even when he decide to call our jam we have decent hand vs 99 or TT. And of course we have blockers Kx, Jx so in his range is less Kx, Jx.

4. With this hands this stack deep I guess is not profitable to flat because of stack to pot ratio, but this hand flop so well so Is not wastage to fold this hand?

How you think guys. I am right?


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NutzAreOk
Joined: 28.01.2011

Are these now vs random or vs player we know is active? Can`t be both at the same time.


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18071987
Joined: 02.05.2007

Originally posted by NutzAreOk
Are these now vs random or vs player we know is active? Can`t be both at the same time.

I should be more precise. Is quite active I will say 25/22/12


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Dadramel
Joined: 10.08.2014

4. (called) What do u do if floped ex K95 rainbow and he bets 2/3 psb?


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NutzAreOk
Joined: 28.01.2011

Originally posted by 18071987

Originally posted by NutzAreOk
Are these now vs random or vs player we know is active? Can`t be both at the same time.

I should be more precise. Is quite active I will say 25/22/12

Thank you. :) And lets say this is over decent sample size.

1) I`d call, we have solid hand that flops well. We need to think though what we do at different boards vs check/cbet/ch-r and actually no matter what hand, we need to think future actions.

2) Also solid hand that plays well and flops well=call. But again this: We need to think though what we do at different boards vs check/cbet/ch-r. I think we could also take this to our bluff 4bet jam range(?).

3) Not totally sure but if we decide to jam, I think we can also think about making small 4bet. Depents for the situation.

4) If we flat 3bet w/JTs, why not this. Slightly worst hand than JTs so this would probably be better to fold or bluff 4bet jam than JTs.


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