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pufarine
Joined: 22.05.2010

hey!

By `unknown` we can make a gutsy guessing that 80% of the time the villain is a fish and the 20% is a reg.
vs fish, Idon`t know if this play is + EV considering that in order your move to be succesfull you have to play vs a decent thinking player. Not sure how many folds u can get by taking this line vs a fish so that it can be profitable. ( not mentioning that at +4 tables it really takes a little bit more focusing, that u can easily replace with one more table)

Not sure if I have clearly put my thinking on the paper(I need to work on that) but hopefully u got the ideea :)


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tolari
Joined: 02.11.2010

hey!

Ok, so for me an unk is around 95% a recreational player (huge volume = i know most of regs), only different case is new regs or upmovers from lower stakes.
I would never make this move with this sizing against a competent player. It just gives too good odds, i would sometimes jam it as a bluff here.

The reason why its imo a good play vs fish is that he is dividing his range there much more than a regular player ( rec. player will use push for nuts and bluff, and small bet for bluffs, medium showdown value and small part of nuts, reg will much less often have a sizing tell here)

which gives us a range most often composed of bluffs, weak pairs and small part of nuts - my raise needs to work 30% of time, rough estimate against a fish that doesn't think much about consequences of sizings would be around 50-60% feq probably more as nuts bet this way show up relatively rarely.

In regards to balance - if you think one line is max ev take that line. the notion of balancing is used for lines that have the same EV, meaning your opponent has to be balanced as well to create a situation where bet/check has same ev. If you ever have a spot where you think "fuck if I raise the guy is gonna fold so often, but i need to be BALANCED so i better fold" its just giving excuses not to pull the trigger ;)

If you think of balance as putting correct amount of bluff/value combos into a range it also doesn't make much sense vs fish, as they are not playing with you long enough to ever notice, note it , exploit it, they don't even know how nor think about it. in that given spot i will be checking a lot of nuts so my XR range will be balanced but xr range with this sizing completely not, you can play a lot with sizings and it changes the ev drastically as their ranges are very often static, more static than reg ranges.

http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/14187875_73C551F4DC - another "crazy" hand - but why would he ever not push with value that river? is he smart/stupid enough to bet like this to induce a 50 chips spazz? or is he bluffing and thinks it doesn't make a difference for me so he rather save that 50 chips? (turn could be argued to be better folded but this is not the point)

dont castrate your game with balance issues, stay ballsy and make those plays when it makes sense! its a great way to stay interested in this game while playing so much

http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/13766602_7939DB5404


There is always FOLDING EQUITY!

Ok, goood monday fellow spinners and .... not spinners! We'll push it today a bit, 333 is the goal, as always stop by later for graphs/hands!


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tolari
Joined: 02.11.2010

What a juicy spot in x25 that ive proceeded to win!

http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/15134111_17429CFF20


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tolari
Joined: 02.11.2010
pufarine
Joined: 22.05.2010

hey!

I`m at 15$ while you`re grinding the 60$ so obviously u should know more than me, but I think this is a super dooper high variance way to play the spins. Not sure if I want to add some more variance at the Supreme Queen of Variance which is spins...
Can u atleast post 1 or 2 hands where u get called, so I can peacefully sleep tonight?


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tolari
Joined: 02.11.2010

@pufarine: sorry not gonna filter dbase for specific hands now obv I do get called, but those spots are +EV and the add. variance they create is lower than standard 3barreling with bluff

Aaaaaaand done for today, had to push a bit and last 100~ even thou roi wise were decent I've played b/c game, all in all thou quite happy with today sess, hard to be not when u hit 24,5k ev chips :happy: Keep crushing to those still grinding and CU tmrw!


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kacekov
Joined: 21.06.2009

tolari you defo should stream this. i can only imagine the so much hard loling on the twitch chat that would happen in these situations.


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tolari
Joined: 02.11.2010

@kacekov
Yeah haha twitch could be awesome, was thinking about it but as it is nowadays it would be impossible to have any kind of interaction with viewers (even with 15 delay) as I multitable too much. Maaaybe when they introduce higher stakes or in december after I finish SNE.

Okay today I've slept pretty badly, woke up like 4 times and couldn't fall asleep, in the morning had a 2h coaching with FCD and guys and now after a nice a bit too long nap I can start grinding :f_thumbsup: feeling fresh, great new ideas, since its late and I already studied today we will push standard 303 games for juicy 5k vpp! wish me luck and stop by later for sess sum-up! keep em crushed!

not my standard music choice but this one is so sick


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tolari
Joined: 02.11.2010

http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/15148249_D6FBB55957

pleease, pleeease make turn bet small, turn:


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tolari
Joined: 02.11.2010

Uuugh what a sess, 303 games at -3,5 ev roi, most of the time bet/fold was the line with a few spazzes, couldnt get momentum - not a nice feeling sitting there and trying to play solid with very little room to get frisky.

Beside few pots and the fact i did get bored I couldnt get into zone much, obsessing more about how i run than how to max the ev - something I have to work on, to be playing more often A/B game while doomswitch than B/C as volume has to be made. Because the run is an illusion. There is no run. There is no spoon.

Well, volume is in, now time to sleep, too tired to post hands/graph tmrw morning maybe ;) gnight, keep crushing those who still grind! Tmrw new day!


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tolari
Joined: 02.11.2010

Gooooooooooooooooooood Wednesday chicas! started the day by throwing away the trash and meditating, coffee cooling off on my desk, oatmeal in the bowl, lets crush it! 303 is the number but today i sense a push

some hands I like from yesterday:

http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/15148348_3E5178F316

http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/15149494_0D5E51DBC9
good old click clack

so you are saying you are on big blind,
you have huge squiz...
you flat the turn....
all the draws miss....
are you that good to ship a jack like this?

i call

http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/15152217_66284D2CF8
I swear the guy showed me a 9 after tanking and folding. no clue what happened in this hand

http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/15149673_2CCEE5FDD6
so yeah, it doesn't always work;) well played by unk


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x3ndeDx
Joined: 22.08.2012

hey, nice blog, will be following :)

do you know if the 100$+ spins are just about to come?


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good job:f_thumbsup:


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tolari
Joined: 02.11.2010

@ups: thanks! no idea but I hope sooner than later, Ive heard that on pstars.FR they run 100euro ones, didnt check that thou.

Okay! time to wrap it up even thou I kinda feel like pushing a bit more but tmrw training with Bakudranski so better stay fresh today whooping 374 games (new personal volume best i think) GEEZUZ really happy with my play today, played very focused and aware most of the time, lost my nerve couple of times during first 200 games but didnt spazz a lot (more than usually xd) last 170 games where just smooth. First 200 games had similar run to the one yesterday but Ive managed it way better. Ev roi 1,7%.


that regrind <3

Managed to catch some nice spots too:

http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hands/Boom/15165054_32EB162679

this is how you fold out TPs

PokerStars - $57+$3|15/30 NL (3 max) - Holdem - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 21.73 BB (VPIP: 53.98, PFR: 40.20, 3Bet Preflop: 21.64, Hands: 3,759)
BTN: 12.77 BB (VPIP: 53.13, PFR: 44.44, 3Bet Preflop: 21.74, Hands: 107)
Hero (SB): 15.5 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9♣ A♦

fold, Hero raises to 2 BB, BB calls 1 BB

Flop: (4 BB, 2 players) Q♠ 9♠ 3♠
Hero bets 1.6 BB, BB calls 1.6 BB

Turn: (7.2 BB, 2 players) 7♣
Hero checks, BB checks

River: (7.2 BB, 2 players) 5♠
Hero checks, BB bets 3.83 BB, Hero raises to 11.9 BB and is all-in, fold

Hero wins 14.87 BB

one of last hands of today, vs a reg, now i look at this spot and was about to post this gif under it:

buuuuuut ive misplayed this river, we would be betting As, Ks ott, we have decent sdv, the way its played I dont see him folding any spade that has bet there, what do you guys think? I like calling waaay more

on third thought we would go for XR turn with a lot of our As,Ks holdings so maybe this play wasnt that terrible, but I doubt he would see it that way.

(that sick moment when screen adjusts to daylight with flux and you feel your eyes running away - means its time to sleep:D) Gnight! keep crushing guys GL!

VPP Today: 6.2k
VPP this Month: 58.2k
VPP till SNE: 518.2k


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tolari
Joined: 02.11.2010

Goooooooooooooooooooooooood Thursday everyone! again didn't sleep that great so probably won't be able to push much, plus the coaching in a few hours. so today 303 is the number, stop by later for another portion of gifs, hands and giraffes!

love that tune, KEEP EM CRUSHED!


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kacekov
Joined: 21.06.2009

go fish dem moneyzz


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tolari
Joined: 02.11.2010

@up: will do! :profit:

okaaay so, ive just played 607 games in around 24h! Ev roi 2,5%! I have finished Thursdays session around 6am and was not sleepy so quick coffee and VAMOOSS NEXT 303 games also wanted to start weekend asap, now quick nap, dinner and drinks to follow. Fuck, my brain is scramble eggs now, but ive maintained good focus most of the time.


http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hands/Boom/15182893_C9763655E1
was so wrong that ended up being right

http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hands/Boom/15182881_C4696DE9B1
what do you think about raising those donks river? how do you perceive them?

http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hands/Boom/15185418_C5F5BCB4F8

just the tip

what a beast! helped with grinding a ton

VPP Today (last25h or so xd): TEN efing K
VPP this Month: 68.2k
VPP till SNE: 508.2k


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WhiteWalker
Joined: 06.06.2015

Originally posted by tolari

what a beast! helped with grinding a ton

Sick drummer! Best of luck on the spins! I dabble in them from time to time but just don't get the volume in.


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tolari
Joined: 02.11.2010

Goooood monday! Fresh after weekend and coaching will killuifuplay, ready to start pounding in another week of awesome volume and weird hands! stay tuned for updates/graphs, oatmeals in, coffee in LETS DO IT 303 is the number GL!


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tolari
Joined: 02.11.2010

with this hand ive just shipped 200x! :profit: easy match no difficult spot

Spoiler

PokerStars - $57+$3|20/40 NL (3 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 7.5 BB (VPIP: 48.15, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 27)
Hero (BB): 30 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J♥ K♠

SB raises to 7.5 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 6.5 BB

Flop: (15 BB, 2 players) Q♣ J♦ T♠

Turn: (15 BB, 2 players) 4♦

River: (15 BB, 2 players) 8♥

Hero shows J♥ K♠ (One Pair, Jacks)
(Pre 73%, Flop 83%, Turn 91%)
SB shows 6♥ K♣ (High Card, King)
(Pre 27%, Flop 17%, Turn 9%)
Hero wins 15 BB


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