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C-R on the river w Set

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mildo
Joined: 30.10.2011

Party Poker $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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BB: $10.90 - VPIP: 15, PFR: 8, 3B: 4, AF: 1,4, Hands: 144
UTG: $6.58 - VPIP: 39, PFR: 28, 3B: 7, AF: 3,5, Hands: 140
CO: $11.44 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 17, 3B: 12, AF: 2,2, Hands: 236
Hero (BTN): $14.88 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 16, 3B: 4, AF: 3,2, Hands: 23490
SB: $13.93 - VPIP: 38, PFR: 27, 3B: 6, AF: 2,1, Hands: 199

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with K :club: K :heart:
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, 1 fold, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.65) K :spade: 8 :heart: A :spade: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.46, BB calls $0.46

Turn: ($1.57) 9 :heart: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.40, BB calls $1.40

River: ($4.37) 3 :heart: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2.20, BB raises to $8.74, Hero calls $6.54

Spoiler

Final Pot: $21.85
BB shows 2 :heart: A :heart:
Hero shows K :club: K :heart:
BB wins $20.85
(Rake: $1.00)

Im fine with the way i played Pre, Flop, Turn and Bet on the river.
Im not sure with the call when he C-R me. The only thing that comes to mind is busted draws or flushes. I dont think that he is the player which will C-R river in this spot w 2-pair or sets. With sets and 2-pairs he will raise on flop or turn.
In the game i was thinking that it is a good call. But now that im reviewing the hand i think that i need to fold in that spot with that type of opponent.

His AF on river is 5 but the sample on that stat is just 10 hands.
What do you think?


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mattyvx
Joined: 15.04.2015

strategy for 99% of players bet/fold - he's just not bluffing or value raising worse. i don't care about people saying they needs reads to fold it etc our range is super strong for trippling here and he's not bluffing i'd bet/fold it

Turn check raise is strong, river check raise is insanely strong at these stakes.

I really like the turn betsizing, as we don't block the top pair ace you could also consider an overbet turn for sure and even an overbet river on a brick because he will put you on a busted draw with the ace.


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Ales851
Joined: 16.07.2012

It´s really difficult to fold 2nd (in fact basically top since he hasn´t AA) set vs runner runner flush but 15/8 player has close to 0 bluffs usually. There is bigger chance that he overplayed worse hands in general but probably not here because he would raise his sets OTF or OTT. I´m excpecting Ahigh flush most often which he called as top pair on the flop.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Can we check river?


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Ales851
Joined: 16.07.2012

I don´t realize it because we have set, so bet, bet, bet without thinking :f_biggrin: . True is that x/b R seems the best to me too. He would raise most of his strong hands on previous streets and don´t expect a lot of value on something like AJ.


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VaskataBuci
Joined: 08.08.2011

His aggr. on the river is linked to his other stats. Of course for 144 hands sample don't even look at his river stats. But if for example his fold to cbet on flop and turn is 70 you would normally face very strong range on the river.
In this particular hand maybe bet / fold is best. But I would save the worries for myself and check back:f_cool:


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mattyvx
Joined: 15.04.2015

think rivers got to be a value bet for the follow two reasons

1) its a backdoor flush so less believable
2) we don't block top pair, maybe he heros with Ahearts or something


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

We do not block the top backdoor flush too. When a draw completes , I prefer the safer side.


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Padelbro
Joined: 21.01.2010

Check-backing river would be horrifyingly nitty, I see myself doing that absolutely never here.


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GoOnCal1
Joined: 22.01.2015

What is the best option for the villain in this spot on the river? (given leading out looks obvious?)


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Pushing with the nuts is normal. As you can see sometimes he will win all hero's stack.


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jules97
Joined: 10.06.2012

Ez bet/call on river. You block flushes. He reps so thin


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

We do not block the nut flushes.


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Tomaloc
Joined: 17.01.2011

never valuebet top of your range, your opponent might have the nuts guys


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CrazedTulip
Joined: 19.09.2009

I can't believe what I read multiple check back river opinions wow...
just wow


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Originally posted by jules97
Ez bet/call on river. You block flushes. He reps so thin

Bet/ fold better?


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metalmonkey80
Joined: 15.08.2013

regardless of the flush I think I would of made the same choice as you in this situation. In fact I did this today.

https://forums.pokerstrategy.com/forum/thread.php?threadid=345133


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