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Ok so Hello this is my first hand posted for evalutaion.

I have a few more from the past which I have been meaning to post
and ill put them up next.

For now, here was the situation.

Villain on the buttons all in did not scare me since he was playing really bad this whole sit and go. And I figured Villain 2 was min raising with AT+
and 55+ things like that. I was suprised to see his KK but thats poker.

I was not surprised to find 55 from the button.

the rebound charts tell me from the SB, I can shove 88 to the MP raise with
7BBs left.

Did I make a mistake by shoving even though I thought the Villain on the
button was behind my 88 with a min raise and a shove ahead of me?

**EDIT.. In the strategy section, It says to eliminate positions as they are
eliminated from the tournament. Which is why I am reffering to the
UTG min raise as MP2 when checking the rebound charts. Is this
Incorrect? I am reading this table as having MP2 MP3 then late
(CO and Button) then blinds.

So when the chart says I have 88 and I can shove to MP raise
with 88 I am considering this UTG as MP.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

CO (t7800)
Button (Villain) (t2000)
Hero (t1120)
BB (t1125)
UTG (Villain 2) (t1210)
MP (t1745)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[:club:], 8[:heart:].
UTG (Villain 2) raises to t300, 2 folds, Button (Villain) raises to t2000, Hero calls t1045 (All-In), 1 fold, UTG (Villain 2) calls t910 (All-In).

Flop: (t4405) 7[:club:], 4[:heart:], J[:diamond:] (3 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: (t4405) 6[:spade:] (3 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t4405) 9[:diamond:] (3 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: t4405


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Flows
Joined: 09.03.2006

I fold in this situation.
you have bad chances against 2 opponents and no fold equity since one of them is all-in. the best thing you can achieve here is a fold by the UTG-raiser and a coinflip against the other. -> fold!


If I got the UTG to fold, and I was against the all in, you would consider
88 against 55 a coin flip? or are you saying forget he had 55, and
with him shoving I can expect my 88 up against AK or the likes?


i folded too


milosx
Joined: 21.12.2008

With 88 against two players, Villain1 has 55+ and Villain2 has ATo+, ATs+ you have less than 28% equity.
I don't think that you can make the Villain2 fold cause he's already invested a quarter of his stack and he's getting almost 3 to 1 on his call.

So FOLD is correct.


Thank you guys for the response.

There is a big snag in my game I have to work on is calculating the
equity like that.

Im getting the hang of putting people on hands and
I am getting better at being correct when they turn them over.

Its knowing that even though thats their range the 28% equity part.

Now a follow up question for you all, what would have been shovable?

QQ+ or KK+ because of the all in and the min raise?

and also about how i calculated the positions in the *edit i added
to the post, Am I correct in using the all in and rebound charts that way?

Thanks again


NickParkes
Joined: 07.07.2008

Hi there...

My approach to dealing with raises and pushes infront of me in push/fold mode is basically.... raise = push because most of the time villain doesn't know what he should be doing but is raising a hand that he "thinks" is good and will most often call a push...

So when I see raise - push I treat that as 2x all in where by I am overcalling with QQ+ and that's it... I fold AK and JJ here...


chenny8888
Joined: 03.10.2007

Hi all,

Originally posted by NickParkes
Hi there...

My approach to dealing with raises and pushes infront of me in push/fold mode is basically.... raise = push because most of the time villain doesn't know what he should be doing but is raising a hand that he "thinks" is good and will most often call a push...

So when I see raise - push I treat that as 2x all in where by I am overcalling with QQ+ and that's it... I fold AK and JJ here...

I agree with this but I'm pushing AK here quite happily too. Maybe even JJ, but definitely folding TT.