The BB overcall is just a result of the tighter SB calling range.
This is not at all straightforward to work out by hand because you don't have any dominant branches here. But the general reasoning is that those 40 chips are going to make a considerable difference re: fold equity when SB is in the BU next hand. They will also make the difference between BU<->SB being first forced all-in in some of the lines.
Thanks for your time!
There´s an anomalia in the SB calling range. When I hold BU chips constant and change SB and BB stack, at
SB 120 is it´s CR 27%
130 .................... 31%
140 ..................... 65%
160 ....................... 82%
180 ...................... 37%
200 ....................... 15%
It is not close to mini stacks, BU and SB have some 3bb stacks. So that´s why it is hard for me to understand it.
I see the point of having 40 more chips in pushing all in first in BU or SB.
Regarding fold equity in the BU, when I consider FSG, I must fold to be in the next hand. The reason is this: When I win, 3-way pot will end. If I fold, BU must win in order to sustain 3-way pot.
BU will have some t250 in the BB next hand and I 156 (196) in the BU.
situations:
a) 156 2594 250
b) 196 2554 250
give push BU both some 35%.
How can 40 chips change my fold equity?
I came to this point in thougts and I am lost how to solve the anomalia. I also do not comprihend the meaning of dominant branches.
As I said, unless there are dominant branches these spots are usually way too complex to analyze by hand. A dominant branch would be a single line that plays out a large % of the time, e.g. BU push ~100% and both blinds fold a high %. In that case we can just concentrate on the single branch where BU takes down the blinds.
But in your example the BB only calls some percentage of the time if SB folds, so you would at least need to look at the lines where BU is taking down the blinds, as well as BU doubling up (and these branches split up yet again in the next hand, etc). Note that the BB overcalls vastly different depending on the SB stack/range. At 160 chips the BB overcalls with ~50%, and SB will finish 2nd unless BU wins the 3-way pot. At 200 chips the BB is overcalling less frequently, which is actually bad for SB there. (Increase the BB overcalls to 50% and you will see the SB calling range widening again.)
There are many different factors affecting the SB calling range and it is not at all unusual to see the range "swing" like that when you increase the stack size.
4 cash game questions:
1 Can rake and rakeback be accounted for using Holdemresources?
2 Can equity realization values be assigned for postflop?
3 Can ICM and FGS be ignored to simulate cash game?
4 IS there a video or article where Holdemresources is used by a cash player?
As of right now the product is heavily leaning towards tournaments. But we have a chipEV mode that ignores ICM/FGS and is suitable for cash calculations (without rake though) and an option for rake will likely be added within this Beta cycle, probably sometime in October. I can't give any ETA regarding equity realization for postflop atm. It's something we plan to integrate at some point, but not in the immediate future.
I'm not aware of any HRC videos focused on cash.
If you want to give the trial version a try, I'd strongly suggest you update to the Beta. The advanced calculations (more relevant for cash) got a major do-over there:
http://www.holdemresources.net/h/products/hrc/beta-repository.html
Thanks for quick response and glad to hear rake will be added soon.
Could you elaborate a little bit what this beta feature includes:
"The advanced calculations (more relevant for cash)"
The calculations available in the "Advanced" section got some major updates in the Beta. You can analyze non-allin raise/fold/(flat) games there.
*) The "Advanced Hand" dialog page got simplified a lot and now allows entering the raise sizes directly in chips or bbs instead of fractions of the pot
*) Raise/Re-raise sizes can be specified on a per-bet basis, previously 3/4/5-bets all had to use the same pot ratio
*) It is now possible to use multiple raise sizings, e.g. multiple possible 3-bet sizes within the same calculation
*) The new dialog allows finer control over the limping/flatting lines
Would you please help me with practical range with 3 situations close in chips:
1) http://hands.holdemresources.net/?id=nc0i9w8m89it
2) http://hands.holdemresources.net/?id=1pec8s5vcpj4m
3) http://hands.holdemresources.net/?id=txk28yhzazxp
The calling range BB vs SB is swingy, too complex to reason. I thougt that for practical use I could take a calling range somewhere in the middle from 0%, 10% and 60% and it would be 30% which I would use when BB has from 60 to 80 chips. In reality, I do not have any better solution.
What range would you suggest, please?
I try to not get into direct strategy advice or result interpretation, that's outside the scope of this thread. But I honestly couldn't give any recommendation in that specific case anyway.
This would be more suitable for discussion with a coach, in a player skype group or a strategy forum.
Trialing the beta.
Is there any way to save, name and load scenarios? Having a library of important scenarios that can be loaded and reviewed seems important to me. Going through the wizard each time is quite time consuming. I do not see any presets/custom saves for the wizard in order to speed up my work.
For flats you assume 100% equity realization currently?
Also, some way to import ranges from other software like equilab when editing ranges would be nice.
Is there any way to save, name and load scenarios? Having a library of important scenarios that can be loaded and reviewed seems important to me. Going through the wizard each time is quite time consuming. I do not see any presets/custom saves for the wizard in order to speed up my work.
You can save/load payout structures, but hand calculations can't be saved locally at the moment. You can upload them using "Hand: Share Hand" though.
For flats you assume 100% equity realization currently?
Flats assume 100% equity realization, correct.
Also, some way to import ranges from other software like equilab when editing ranges would be nice.
You can copy/paste ranges from other programs, simply copy the text range into the clipboard, select the range in HRC and paste / Ctrl+V.
Interesting. I'm planning to get ace poker drills free calculator. But maybe I should try this first.
Hello,
I play Fifty50 turbo tourneys. What chip model should I select to analyze push-fold and 3-bet push situations correctly? ICMizer users mostly do ICM %EV. You don't have it in HRC. I have tried to compare calculations for the same hands in ICMizer and HRC. The results are very much different. I am embarassed now which chip-model is most correct.....
There is actually a preset in the program under "STT Full: Fifty50" in the dropdown menu left bottom of the "Prizes" area.
The correct payouts for Fifty50 are "60, 10, 10, 10, 10".
Originally posted by plexiq
There is actually a preset in the program under "STT Full: Fifty50" in the dropdown menu left bottom of the "Prizes" area.The correct payouts for Fifty50 are "60, 10, 10, 10, 10".
Thanks a lot. I know that. What about chip model? Should I use Malmuth-Harville ICM? When should I use ChipEV in BB? Previously you had more chip models. Now I see 2 only. Why is that?
ICM / Malmuth Harville would be appropriate here. Use ChipEV for cash/headsup or for spots before the final table / far from the money.
The FGS model is only available for push/fold hands, so it only shows up in the "Basic" dialog and not in the "Advanced" one.
Can u guys add in a feature that does not allow you to open HRC while Stars is open, or with limited functionality like SNGWizzard had? I got an email from Stars when i happened to have HRC and stars both open.
Is there a preset payout for SpinGos on Stars? If not, what are the correct payouts?
