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Tim64 Live Jackpot/Spin/Twister Coachings - Strategy & Live Play

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tonypmm
Joined: 11.01.2009

Heh, as a result of your request, the right to hold the coaching stream has been awarded to LemOn36, who's a 6-max NL reg and not as experienced in HU/jackpot play as you, next Monday at UK 7 PM as part of his Eurotrip series; wp again by PS-gy :f_rolleyes: (I didn't know that he also likes to have a princess avatar at PKR :f_biggrin: )


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Tim64
Joined: 03.11.2008

Ah, LemOn36 is a great guy! He'll do an awesome job I'm sure. I'll try to attend if possible.


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Well, Sorvolo, it's very important to bear in mind the assumptions we make at the beginning of the class: we don't know the BB. So how can we determine how many hands we should be playing against an unknown opponent without knowing what his tendencies are? I would rather give starting players reasonable ranges to play than just say "you need to play about 80% of hands in this position when folded to you", without them knowing how to achieve that % or what to do when they face a 3b or flop third pair etc. :) As you improve and as you get more information, for sure you will want to expand your range


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Tim64
Joined: 03.11.2008

That sounds like sensible advice. I wonder who said that? πŸ˜†


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rompas
Joined: 12.02.2014

Originally posted by Tim64
That sounds like sensible advice. I wonder who said that? πŸ˜†

i think one of our top coaches once said that :f_thumbsup:


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Ivan95
Joined: 07.03.2013

Hey Tim :) I'm new in Spin and Go and I'm currently playing 1$. Can you post some strategy/ranges for newbies ?


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Tim64
Joined: 03.11.2008

Hey Ivan95, if you scroll up to the first page of this thread you'll find some starting ranges. They're fairly cautious ranges, assuming a basic understanding of poker. If you're more competent you can go wider, of course. Best of luck!


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Ivan95
Joined: 07.03.2013

Thank you :) I thought these ranges are for higher buy ins... :f_drink:


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Tim64
Joined: 03.11.2008

No, it's rather the opposite. At the lower limits you can play tighter because people make much bigger mistakes so you can wait for more straightforward spots. At higher buyins, people steal more and therefore must you must defend wider.


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tonypmm
Joined: 11.01.2009

Originally posted by Tim64
At the lower limits you can play tighter because people make much bigger mistakes so you can wait for more straightforward spots.

Waiting for straightforward spots doesn't imply that the ranges need to be significantly tighter. Rather, they should be unbalanced and contain more thin value instead of bluffs.


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Tim64
Joined: 03.11.2008

No, tonypmm, you're right. It doesn't imply that you should play tighter ranges. What I meant to say is that, when we expect to get paid off on our good hands, it allows us to pass up on some much thinner +EV spots where we're likely to get into difficulties due to our lack of experience.


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felix282
Joined: 13.04.2012

such, I have several questions
* what size OR use when making bets and ROL?
* from sing bb Push play or fold?
* I used to play rank push or fold?
* When we 3bet is AI?


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Tim64
Joined: 03.11.2008

Hi felix282, I'm not sure I understand all your questions, but I will do my best:

"what size OR use when making bets and ROL?"

I normally minraise from all positions, although some pros favour making a bigger raise from SB to give the player in position worse odds for calling wide. Both approaches have their merits.

"from sing bb Push play or fold?"

I think you mean, when you have #bbs under 10 (i.e. single figure) should we play push or fold? If so, then mostly, "yes", especially at lower limits. You can limp some hands HU as long as your opponent does not attack you too wide.

"I used to play rank push or fold"

I'm sorry - I don't understand this. Is it a question about hand rankings?

"When we 3bet is AI?"

No, not always. The wider a player open raises, the weaker his opening range. This means you can 3b smaller (~2.5x) both as a bluff and for value. I wouldn't make small 3bs with small pairs, however.

Thanks,
Tim


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mute20
Joined: 13.01.2011

Hi tim. With the changes to spins with the increased top end prize pool have the games become a lot harder to grind overall now?


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Tim64
Joined: 03.11.2008

Hey mute20. Better ask some full time Spin grinders for their opinion, but I think the effect of the change will be only minimal since game quality is a much bigger issue than the exact amounts and division of the top 3 prizes. These prizes are so rare you basically have to beat the game without them. And for that you need the right skills and the right reg:recreational ratio. I expect 10k* prize pools will bring in more recs for a while, but that 60s-100s will continue to be very tough indeed to beat long term unless there is a rake reduction.


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tonypmm
Joined: 11.01.2009

Originally posted by mute20
Hi tim. With the changes to spins with the increased top end prize pool have the games become a lot harder to grind overall now?

The 'grindability' has hardly ever changed - the vast majority of the ROI came from the low multipliers (2x-10x) and it still does. The only difference is that the top jackpot is 3.3 times bigger and will be hit 3.3 times less often, which might cause psychological issues if you were dreaming of shipping big within a year or two, but that's just a wrong mindset to have - as I've said, the binks would be a small fraction of your expected profit anyway in the long run. Due to that, spins remain way more 'grindable' than kilofield MTTs :f_drink:


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Tim64
Joined: 03.11.2008

Have you seen, there are now three limits where you can win a million? $0.5, $5 and $100.


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tonypmm
Joined: 11.01.2009

I wanted $2M 10s this time, but $1M 5s are fine too because they likely won't be absorbing 30s and maybe 15s regs. 7s regs will surely be grinding 5s now, though, due to the improved (less swingy) payout structure :f_rolleyes:


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mute20
Joined: 13.01.2011

Hi tim, have you considered doing coachings/videos on 6 max hypers/turbos in the future?


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Tim64
Joined: 03.11.2008

Yes, I have. I think there is a 6mx video available already, but of course willing to do more if there's a demand.

Cheers


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