AKs 3bet pot

Ez calldown, no need to raise the turn, the pot have been built up enough to put the rest otr (if another spade occurs, in that situation, just call, only AA and JJ beat you which I presume he had)

I like to call down too.

Preflop: 4bet/all in.

Postflop, call flop, call Turn, fold River i guess. You could have A5 in you range and and maybe 56. But you have more likely a bustet flusdraw or AQ,ATs, sometimes AK. So he either have AK, or AJ, JJ, A5s. A4s,A3s,A2s. His bet looks like a valuebet. So i would fold.

Can you give the AF for each streets?

Originally posted by nitrol
Can you give the AF for each streets?

lol

Agree 100% with Berezovaya

Originally posted by zoty79
Preflop: 4bet/all in.

Postflop, call flop, call Turn, fold River i guess. You could have A5 in you range and and maybe 56. But you have more likely a bustet flusdraw or AQ,ATs, sometimes AK. So he either have AK, or AJ, JJ, A5s. A4s,A3s,A2s. His bet looks like a valuebet. So i would fold.

I think I could beat you playing without looking at my cards.:)
The mistake you make is to put him on 100% value, and then define value as being exactly the hands that beat us or split . Also, a well designed bluff is supposed to look like a value bet. If you feel unsecure in these situations, look at what you would require to call. It would probably be AJ and sets, and maybe you wouldn't even call his preflop 3-bet with 44/22. Moreover, you haven't exactly projected strength on flop and turn.

Nothing wrong about playing postflop in position instead of preflop lotto/winning small pot if he folds.

I think a 20/14 player with 3,81 overall 3bet doesn't have that many bluffs on the river, when he 3barrels in a 3bet pot on NL10.

No, it's not wrong to play postflop, but hands with higher equity should always go all in, exspecially AKs, if it would be AKo, than a call might be ok.

And the EV of a Hand preflop always consists of foldequity and equity preflop. Yeah, if the ev postflop is higher, that you win the hand, than a call is ok. But if he folds enough hands, than preflop a 4bet might be better.

And if you go by frequencies, than Ak is a must call on the River, assuming, that this guy on NL10 knows, that he has to have enough bluffs compared to his valuehands. So he need approximatly 10 bluffs on the River. Do you think he has 10 Bluffs here?

PF I believe this should be a value 4bet to balance our 4bet range, because we'll want to make quite a lot of bluff 4bets BU vs SB.

Post-flop, I agree this should be an easy call-down. He can easily have a busted flush or worse TP here, unless we have reads to the contrary. If we aren't calling this river, I believe we would need to reassess our line: if we're going to play this hand passively, we have to be committed to calling all three streets (assuming reasonable bet sizes).

SB overall 3 bet is 3.81. We can call and play IP.

We need to know SB's resteal, not his overall 3B.

Originally posted by Lathdari
PF I believe this should be a value 4bet to balance our 4bet range, because we'll want to make quite a lot of bluff 4bets BU vs SB.

Post-flop, I agree this should be an easy call-down. He can easily have a busted flush or worse TP here, unless we have reads to the contrary. If we aren't calling this river, I believe we would need to reassess our line: if we're going to play this hand passively, we have to be committed to calling all three streets (assuming reasonable bet sizes).

I agree, our hand is madly under-repped here. If he has AJ then pay him off, but we can easily be seeing AT/AQ or even something like KQcc here.

Originally posted by MJPerry

Originally posted by Lathdari
PF I believe this should be a value 4bet to balance our 4bet range, because we'll want to make quite a lot of bluff 4bets BU vs SB.

Post-flop, I agree this should be an easy call-down. He can easily have a busted flush or worse TP here, unless we have reads to the contrary. If we aren't calling this river, I believe we would need to reassess our line: if we're going to play this hand passively, we have to be committed to calling all three streets (assuming reasonable bet sizes).

I agree, our hand is madly under-repped here. If he has AJ then pay him off, but we can easily be seeing AT/AQ or even something like KQcc here.

So other than 4betting preflop would you play this any differently post flop? Also I called down and he had AJ. What if he jams the river here?

Originally posted by zoty79
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No, it's not wrong to play postflop, but hands with higher equity should always go all in, exspecially AKs, if it would be AKo, than a call might be ok.

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And if you go by frequencies, than Ak is a must call on the River, assuming, that this guy on NL10 knows, that he has to have enough bluffs compared to his valuehands. So he need approximatly 10 bluffs on the River. Do you think he has 10 Bluffs here?

On the first point, being suited in an all-in situation adds less than 2% to your preflop equity. It adds much more to your postflop equity (playability). Shoving AKo and calling AKs is better (most would agree I think).

On the second point, he doesn't have much more than 15 value hands on average (is he 3-betting A2o etc preflop), probably much less if he is tight. You should base decisions on that, not what the board alone allows for value. Three or four bluffing hands are probably closer to the truth on average. Besides, his bet may very well be a blocking bet with a hand he doesn't want to call a big bet with.

If he doesn't have enought bluffs on the river, than why call?? If he bets for value on the river, he needs hands that are worse than his hand, that calls. So if he has AQ for example, which worse hand should call?? Hero has ATs there and thats just 3 Combos compaired to 6 AJ for 2pair. So if Hero calls down, than Villain sould clearly have a checkingrange and bet just with the strongest hands vs AQ and AJ and sometimes vs AK. So he has to have even a very strong hand on the river, or enough bluffs, but this guys doesn't have.

Well, if you read a guy for value only, then you should follow your convictions and just fold.

All I have been saying is that I never ever read my opponents for value only. I am saying his value range isn't huge, I don't include all combos the board allows, and his bluffing range need not be many combos for us to have a profitable call. Also, don't forget the blocking bet. With AQ/ATs he could very well be blocking. This means that he wants to see a showdown, but is not prepared to check and call a big bet.

I am calling and I expect to lose - but not every time.

The reason I said above I thought I could beat you playing without looking at my hand if I knew your thought process, is precisely that you are prepared to fold TPTK for small bets. I'd be checking two pair this river, and I'd bet all busted FD's and perhaps smaller pairs knowing you can be pushed off the nut ace with a small bet.