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QQ in SB v BTN 3 bet pot - bad turn card

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philhellmutt
Joined: 16.02.2011

This is a Zoom hand and opponent unknown. I checked the turn, thinking of check/calling but he bets big and wants to get it all in here. Not sure what I'm beating now with his bet sizing when J hits turn. He could easily call PF with JJ or TT.

I know beginner strategy says bet 2/3 pot on all streets and get it in here, but that board didn't fill me with confidence. Too nitty?

Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Hero (SB): $2.09 (104.5 bb)
BB: $7.39 (369.5 bb)
UTG: $4.03 (201.5 bb)
MP: $2.26 (113 bb)
CO: $1.25 (62.5 bb)
BTN: $2 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q Q
3 folds, BTN raises to $0.05, Hero raises to $0.18, BB calls $0.16, BTN calls $0.13

Flop: ($0.54) 5 T 8 (3 players)
Hero bets $0.31, BB folds, BTN calls $0.31

Turn: ($1.16) J (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.84, Hero?


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

It is ok to bet 1/2 pot in 3 bet pots.
I would like to hear the reason behind wanting to check-call the turn.


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philhellmutt
Joined: 16.02.2011

Good question. Call it a hunch, but i've never done well in 3b pots on these types of boards.

One guy I learned from often warned me about these co-ordinated boards with a J and a T - it smashes his calling range. Obviously it won't every time, but I just didn't like the turn card being OOP. Maybe I could have b/f the turn as it gives him 2 ways to win the hand now, including bluffs, although he could be semi-bluffing here with straight draws and 2 flush draws.

I agree on the flop sizing, especially with 2 callers.


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Bet / fold on the turn id say to be the best play . By checking he can semibluff you , you dont really know where you hand stands so you shouldnt have checked . Just bet / fold without any worries . GL !


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

I prefer bet/folding on turn.


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Pistoleroo
Joined: 06.02.2015

B/f turn. There are still al lot of combo's that u beat that still will call.


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nsavov
Joined: 24.09.2010

I like just overbet-shoving the turn. It might seem like an overplay but its not.
We are too shallow to bet any substantial ammount and then fold when we get like 25% pot odds and its a terrible mistake to bet/fold against J9 or QJ or J+fd. Hes not beating you too often, sets will likely raise the flop, most of his floats have a pair + draw to call you with, because in his eyes you could be on a draw, so you are not doing too bad when you get called. + we have a gutshot so we draw to atleast a chop /its unlikely he has Q9/

When you check, this sizing is pretty scary so I guess folding is ok.


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philhellmutt
Joined: 16.02.2011

Thanks for the feedback guys, interesting stuff.. it's funny, I had a similar spot today with AA OOP on a drawy board, and as Nsavov mentioned above I shoved the turn (slightly above pot size remaining) and he called trying to chase an idiot end gutshot. This wasn't Zoom, so had quite a few reads on this player (inspired by watching Lemon36's Beyond the 1st strategy).

Mind you, the QQ hand may well have been a completely different scenario, but you guys have been very helpful. Cheers.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Bet/fold turn would be better.


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