Good straight hand !!!

Firstly, congrats on the hand! Always nice to see some winning hands on the forum
However, as you have indicated, you would like to see an analysis.

First question: What online limit do you play? I notice you name a $1/$2 live game.

When an UTG raises, he definitely has a couple of AK in his range. However, there are also other hands in his range (without stats, I would assume between 10-15%). A raise on the turn for value is a better line IMO since AK is not the only hand in villain's range. A bet OTT from villain indicates he is representing something with such a board texture. A raise for value and a call from villain OTT would have yield more EV for you. If villain checks OTR you can definitely fire another barrel since AK would have re-raised you by now.

Be that as it may, UTG raises with Q2 and will not go too much into depth here where the Q would be in my range but the 2 for sure not. I would make a note on villain in which you may exploit him more in the future.

A ha, I can see u already posted in a more detailed way... nine players and all ♠_thumbsup:
This guy seems to be way too loose (Q2, really??), so if he is a loose caller too, what can make sense, them yes... u probably missed some value on turn. Although its hard for villain to call a raise on turn and them a good sized bet on river after that (if u think he is capable of doing it, than do it).
That said, overall u played way better. Congrats ♠_drink:

"Would he have called a raise on the turn and a bet on the river?"
This u ll have to figure out by observing the player (a good moment to do that is when u are not in the hand).
If he calls, but folds in latter streets, can be a sign that he calls once w marginal holdings, but isnt that loose to call it down (notice the board too)... and, of course, much atention to the showdowns.

If, in other direction, this player shows up really poor holdings... calling everything.. multiple streets and such, u can bet hard urself at the moment u just hitted a great hand and have no mercy at all hahaha

Originally posted by Afulibador
A ha, I can see u already posted in a more detailed way... nine players and all ♠_thumbsup:
This guy seems to be way too loose (Q2, really??), so if he is a loose caller too, what can make sense, them yes... u probably missed some value on turn. Although its hard for villain to call a raise on turn and them a good sized bet on river after that (if u think he is capable of doing it, than do it).
That said, overall u played way better. Congrats ♠_drink:

Looking at villain's hand first will not give you clear thinking during analysis.

First, Hesticus made some good points.
Second , I know that in live games the hands go much much slower than online , but for playing 1 1/2hours you should collect info on villains and mark who the fish is.
Offtopic: there's an old saying - when you sit at a table and after some time you haven't marked the fish ,then maybe you are the fish. ..
Back to the hand - preflop is ok.
On flop - it is on the border but ok.
On turn you can raise but we are on the idiot side of the straight and with K9 AK crushing us and with EP villain I am not so happy with raising. Ingame we are not sure what these small bets from villain mean.
OTR after the check we should bet.

I hope it will be useful.

I think this hand is weak enough for semi-bluff raising the flop, but since alot of turn cards will improve our equity, it's fine to call. When we hit on the turn and he bets so small, I think we have to raise because 1) we most likelly have the best hand so better to start getting some value and 2) we need protection because don't want to see 9, K or A on the river. Besides they could kill our equity, they could also kill the action in some cases.

Originally posted by nitrol
First, Hesticus made some good points.
Second , I know that in live games the hands go much much slower than online , but for playing 1 1/2hours you should collect info on villains and mark who the fish is.
Offtopic: there's an old saying - when you sit at a table and after some time you haven't marked the fish ,then maybe you are the fish. ..
Back to the hand - preflop is ok.
On flop - it is on the border but ok.
On turn you can raise but we are on the idiot side of the straight and with K9 AK crushing us and with EP villain I am not so happy with raising. Ingame we are not sure what these small bets from villain mean.
OTR after the check we should bet.

I hope it will be useful.

K9 is probably not openning from UTG and AK is probably betting the turn bigger. I would made those assumtions by default, but of course it could be different in the hand.

I do not agree that AK is cbetting bigger on flop. And in fact it looks exactly as AK till river. On flop with 2overs betting small , ott being tricky betting small to induce a raise...

That's why I explained it is important to watch and explore villains in live games ,as you have enough time there.

Originally posted by nitrol
I do not agree that AK is cbetting bigger on flop. And in fact it looks exactly as AK till river. On flop with 2overs betting small , ott being tricky betting small to induce a raise...

That's why I explained it is important to watch and explore villains in live games ,as you have enough time there.

AK is betting the turn bigger because I don't see a reason for him to be tricky with the nuts when he can expect calls from the majority of range that called the flop and alot of cards could kill the action on the river. If we don't have an exact read, I wouldn't preassume that those small bets mean that he is trapping.

Well , this can be so but we cannot be sure. Hero should provide us with info from observations - what those small bets mean...
If we discard AK then raising is perfectly fine.

I think a raise on the turn would be better for the main reason that there are still a lot of pair + draw hands in his range that he might call with on the turn, but would actually fold to a river bet instead. He might even call with just a draw if he's a typical fish "trying to get lucky".

Also getting value from a one pair (or even two pair) hand, is easier now than if a 4th consecutive straight card comes on the river. You're also giving him a cheap draw, you actually want to protect your made hand against hands that can still improve against you.

Overall I think a turn raise is worth more than the river bet.

Originally posted by Alleen86

Originally posted by nitrol
First, Hesticus made some good points.
Second , I know that in live games the hands go much much slower than online , but for playing 1 1/2hours you should collect info on villains and mark who the fish is.
Offtopic: there's an old saying - when you sit at a table and after some time you haven't marked the fish ,then maybe you are the fish. ..
Back to the hand - preflop is ok.
On flop - it is on the border but ok.
On turn you can raise but we are on the idiot side of the straight and with K9 AK crushing us and with EP villain I am not so happy with raising. Ingame we are not sure what these small bets from villain mean.
OTR after the check we should bet.

I hope it will be useful.

K9 is probably not openning from UTG and AK is probably betting the turn bigger. I would made those assumtions by default, but of course it could be different in the hand.

After this hand u have to agree w me that we have to widen up his range to include way more hands in future analysis.

Originally posted by Nivlem
I think a raise on the turn would be better for the main reason that there are still a lot of pair + draw hands in his range that he might call with on the turn, but would actually fold to a river bet instead. He might even call with just a draw if he's a typical fish "trying to get lucky".

Also getting value from a one pair (or even two pair) hand, is easier now than if a 4th consecutive straight card comes on the river. You're also giving him a cheap draw, you actually want to protect your made hand against hands that can still improve against you.

Overall I think a turn raise is worth more than the river bet.

Ur point is valid. The thing is that at the end of the day is really hard to we actually have both bets from value in this hand. I mean, when we raise on turn, we ll not have called by worse on river in general. And if we dont raise the turn, we can still have a good value bet on the last street.

So, u have to choose a spot. And the arguments u gave are great for choosing the turn instead of river.

Looking at villain's hand first will not give you clear thinking during analysis.

Was the last thing I looked at, and had already made my analysis in head at the time. Just mentioned to ilustrate, and by knowing that took it to give some advice for future hands hero could play against him.
My opinion without this info was given in the subsequent sentence.

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by Alleen86

Originally posted by nitrol
First, Hesticus made some good points.
Second , I know that in live games the hands go much much slower than online , but for playing 1 1/2hours you should collect info on villains and mark who the fish is.
Offtopic: there's an old saying - when you sit at a table and after some time you haven't marked the fish ,then maybe you are the fish. ..
Back to the hand - preflop is ok.
On flop - it is on the border but ok.
On turn you can raise but we are on the idiot side of the straight and with K9 AK crushing us and with EP villain I am not so happy with raising. Ingame we are not sure what these small bets from villain mean.
OTR after the check we should bet.

I hope it will be useful.

K9 is probably not openning from UTG and AK is probably betting the turn bigger. I would made those assumtions by default, but of course it could be different in the hand.

After this hand u have to agree w me that we have to widen up his range to include way more hands in future analysis.

When you see Q2o in his OR it is absolutely obligatory to start exploiting that. It will be interesting how he reacts to 3bets too.

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by Nivlem
I think a raise on the turn would be better for the main reason that there are still a lot of pair + draw hands in his range that he might call with on the turn, but would actually fold to a river bet instead. He might even call with just a draw if he's a typical fish "trying to get lucky".

Also getting value from a one pair (or even two pair) hand, is easier now than if a 4th consecutive straight card comes on the river. You're also giving him a cheap draw, you actually want to protect your made hand against hands that can still improve against you.

Overall I think a turn raise is worth more than the river bet.

Ur point is valid. The thing is that at the end of the day is really hard to we actually have both bets from value in this hand. I mean, when we raise on turn, we ll not have called by worse on river in general. And if we dont raise the turn, we can still have a good value bet on the last street.

So, u have to choose a spot. And the arguments u gave are great for choosing the turn instead of river.

It is a bit messed up. If we raise the turn for value we cannot exclude that weaker hands will not call a river bet. Especially when we vary the size of this bet.

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by Alleen86

Originally posted by nitrol
First, Hesticus made some good points.
Second , I know that in live games the hands go much much slower than online , but for playing 1 1/2hours you should collect info on villains and mark who the fish is.
Offtopic: there's an old saying - when you sit at a table and after some time you haven't marked the fish ,then maybe you are the fish. ..
Back to the hand - preflop is ok.
On flop - it is on the border but ok.
On turn you can raise but we are on the idiot side of the straight and with K9 AK crushing us and with EP villain I am not so happy with raising. Ingame we are not sure what these small bets from villain mean.
OTR after the check we should bet.

I hope it will be useful.

K9 is probably not openning from UTG and AK is probably betting the turn bigger. I would made those assumtions by default, but of course it could be different in the hand.

After this hand u have to agree w me that we have to widen up his range to include way more hands in future analysis.

When you see Q2o in his OR it is absolutely obligatory to start exploiting that. It will be interesting how he reacts to 3bets too.

Sure, if he is calling loose, we widen up our 3bet range for value.

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by Nivlem
I think a raise on the turn would be better for the main reason that there are still a lot of pair + draw hands in his range that he might call with on the turn, but would actually fold to a river bet instead. He might even call with just a draw if he's a typical fish "trying to get lucky".

Also getting value from a one pair (or even two pair) hand, is easier now than if a 4th consecutive straight card comes on the river. You're also giving him a cheap draw, you actually want to protect your made hand against hands that can still improve against you.

Overall I think a turn raise is worth more than the river bet.

Ur point is valid. The thing is that at the end of the day is really hard to we actually have both bets from value in this hand. I mean, when we raise on turn, we ll not have called by worse on river in general. And if we dont raise the turn, we can still have a good value bet on the last street.

So, u have to choose a spot. And the arguments u gave are great for choosing the turn instead of river.

It is a bit messed up. If we raise the turn for value we cannot exclude that weaker hands will not call a river bet. Especially when we vary the size of this bet.

I dont think its messed up. Since the weaker hands that are behind us are very unlikely be calling another bet. Although, its villain dependent (and I mentioned this in the very first post).

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by Nivlem
I think a raise on the turn would be better for the main reason that there are still a lot of pair + draw hands in his range that he might call with on the turn, but would actually fold to a river bet instead. He might even call with just a draw if he's a typical fish "trying to get lucky".

Also getting value from a one pair (or even two pair) hand, is easier now than if a 4th consecutive straight card comes on the river. You're also giving him a cheap draw, you actually want to protect your made hand against hands that can still improve against you.

Overall I think a turn raise is worth more than the river bet.

Ur point is valid. The thing is that at the end of the day is really hard to we actually have both bets from value in this hand. I mean, when we raise on turn, we ll not have called by worse on river in general. And if we dont raise the turn, we can still have a good value bet on the last street.

So, u have to choose a spot. And the arguments u gave are great for choosing the turn instead of river.

It is a bit messed up. If we raise the turn for value we cannot exclude that weaker hands will not call a river bet. Especially when we vary the size of this bet.

It might be true that they won't call another bet on the river, but in that case we got the value on the turn instead (we don't lose the value, it just moves to the turn). There are other hands that would call a turn raise, but not a river bet. I feel that overall, you get more value on the turn than on the river.