NL20 Speed - awkward preflop spot

I think without info its better to wait a bit for more info on villain. Maybe he opens only KK+ that way. He really has to open some trash so that we would see some profit.

But I am playing mostly NL5 now

If you are raising - just push.

Originally posted by SPeedFANat1c
I think without info its better to wait a bit for more info on villain. Maybe he opens only KK+ that way. He really has to open some trash so that we would see some profit.

But I am playing mostly NL5 now

So you'd fold?

min 3bet and call a shove from UTG. If BTN or SB shows some aggression - fold. If UTG just calls, push basically every flop - just consider you got it in preflop.

Originally posted by nitrol
If you are raising - just push.

Push as in my whole stack rather than effective stacks, you mean?

Depends on who is behind but yes.
If passive players behind- bet 40bb .

I gave their preflop stats in the OP.

I will bet 40bb.

Originally posted by VaskataBuci
min 3bet and call a shove from UTG. If BTN or SB shows some aggression - fold. If UTG just calls, push basically every flop - just consider you got it in preflop.

Seems a good plan, mate.
It can avoid the bad thing of pushing and getting called by people behind w really strong hands.

Originally posted by MJPerry

Originally posted by nitrol
If you are raising - just push.

Push as in my whole stack rather than effective stacks, you mean?

I completely disagree w that, based in what I just said above.

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by VaskataBuci
min 3bet and call a shove from UTG. If BTN or SB shows some aggression - fold. If UTG just calls, push basically every flop - just consider you got it in preflop.

Seems a good plan, mate.
It can avoid the bad thing of pushing and getting called by people behind w really strong hands.

We still have equity vs them...

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by MJPerry

Originally posted by nitrol
If you are raising - just push.

Push as in my whole stack rather than effective stacks, you mean?

I completely disagree w that, based in what I just said above.

Players from behind are passive. We do not mind playing for 40BB with our hand.

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by VaskataBuci
min 3bet and call a shove from UTG. If BTN or SB shows some aggression - fold. If UTG just calls, push basically every flop - just consider you got it in preflop.

Seems a good plan, mate.
It can avoid the bad thing of pushing and getting called by people behind w really strong hands.

We still have equity vs them...

Vs what range?

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by MJPerry

Originally posted by nitrol
If you are raising - just push.

Push as in my whole stack rather than effective stacks, you mean?

I completely disagree w that, based in what I just said above.

Players from behind are passive. We do not mind playing for 40BB with our hand.

If people behind call that, I m more inclined to believe that we are not in good shape.

So what? We will be in a mw pot and probably doing ok. If they have a strong hand they will push pre, not call.

Give a range for we to see it.
I asked before and u didnt made it yet ♠_thumbsup:

I know that you can't do it. Ask a friend to help you and post it here.

if u flat pre, how often are u folding post flop with an spr of 2?
do u want to play HU or MW with this hand? (if u actually think about it u'll realize even with MW hands u don't want to play MW here ;))
if u flat, how often does someone squeeze to get it in with the fish with a worse hand than yours?

i hope u realize that calling is out of the question.

if u were OTB and villain was doing this from the CO, u would be more likely to get it in rather than hero fold right? u shouldn't. drunk fish are as aware of position as i am knowledgeable in quantum mechanics.

so yeah, 3b this please. and for gods sake, not to 40bb lol. ur sizing changes very little about your play vs the OR. he ships and u call or he flats and u get it in on 95% of flops. if someone behind even blinks you are folding, do u want to lose 40bb every time that happens or would u rather lose 14?

I didn't really ever consider calling or folding tbh.