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AA - wet board and turn x/shove

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thebaptist333
Joined: 13.01.2009

Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2848132
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BTN: $9.94
SB: $5.80
BB: $9.13
UTG: $6.52
Hero (MP): $9.32
CO: $19.07

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is MP with A :spade: A :diamond:
UTG raises to $0.15, Hero raises to $0.45, CO calls $0.45, 3 folds, UTG calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.42) 3 :diamond: Q :spade: T :spade: (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.95, CO folds, UTG calls $0.95

Turn: ($3.32) 9 :diamond: (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $2.10, UTG raises to $5.12 all in, Hero folds

Villain is unknown. I'm not sure if this was a good fold. The way he played I thought he might of had a set, maybe TT. I think KJ is a bit loose for UTG open/call 3bet OOP. The only thing I'm beating here is AQ and KQ, but I don't think he x/shoves turn with those hands. Maybe he does it with KK, but I think he's 4betting pre with KK. Maybe he has AJ of diamonds.

Am I ahead enough here to make this call? Should I be betting bigger on flop and turn?


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

I think QQ and TT are very possible. KK is probably 4betting preflop and is not raising the turn. I also wouldn't expect any bluffs there. So, overall, I think folding is an optimal play there, despite of good pot odds we have.


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VaskataBuci
Joined: 08.08.2011

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Board: 3dQsTs9d
Equity Win Tie
MP2 46.36% 46.36% 0.00% { AdAs }
MP3 53.64% 53.64% 0.00% { JJ, KJs }

I would call. If you add T9s, one combo QQ and half of the combos of KJo we still have the odds.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

By your own analysis, you don't even have a turn value bet. And, no, he doesn't have a nut flush draw. You block both. You cannot win a big pot, so keep it small by clicking back turn.


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thazar
Joined: 14.09.2009

Originally posted by VaskataBucihttp://www.pokerstrategy.com
Board: 3dQsTs9d
Equity Win Tie
MP2 46.36% 46.36% 0.00% { AdAs }
MP3 53.64% 53.64% 0.00% { JJ, KJs }

I would call. If you add T9s, one combo QQ and half of the combos of KJo we still have the odds.

cant he have TT and 33 there? and I really don't see him doing this with JJ so for me his range is very nut heavy QTs or better; I would even remove T9s


Board: 3♦Q♠T♠ 9♦
       Equity     Win     Tie
MP2     5.97%   5.97%   0.00% { AdAs }
MP3    94.03%  94.03%   0.00% { QQ, TT, 33, KJs, QTs }


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

I think we cannot bet turn for profit.
As played I would fold. We cannot win every hand.


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Afulibador
Joined: 21.08.2009

Originally posted by YohanN7
By your own analysis, you don't even have a turn value bet. And, no, he doesn't have a nut flush draw. You block both. You cannot win a big pot, so keep it small by clicking back turn.

Agree, YohanN7. Many hands already got there w this terrible board, so checking back and trying to get to showdown seems an way better option.


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Afulibador
Joined: 21.08.2009

thazar, 33 I think its a bit too much. Its not in my opening range from UTG, for example.
But, IF this player has it, MAYBE he can call w it since CO also called.


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thazar
Joined: 14.09.2009

many players open any PPs from UTG and he got the odds to call the raise.

either way it doesnt make much difference . IMO we are behind all of his range


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Tinsley15
Joined: 18.07.2013

can we bet smaller ott?


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thazar
Joined: 14.09.2009

we can IMO anything over 1/2 pot will have the same effect , so you can make it around$1.75 - $1.8 but that is just htinking in hindsight. Before getting raise we assume that we are ahead because his calling range will be essentially the range we beat and we want to extract as much value as possible from it. So I think that the current bet sie is great


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This is a tough spot. QQ, TT, 99 are all possible in this spot. So is KK. But this kinda feels like a flush draw to me. As long as you don't think he has a set, I'd call.


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