What hands to bluff here?

Vs a thinking player your play would be okay imo.. You are right that villain would bet turn with Kx,44,5x or FDs. Turn Kd is very good card for us to stab when villain checks and river we should bet again. When villain checks turn and river it looks like our range kicks his ranges ass and he probably won't find many hands that he can bluff catch with.

I think we should treat unknowns as potential fish and this kind of bluffs are not ok. So good move, wrong villain?

Hey Marsa,

If you were MP, how do you play your 77-QQ, because those are the hands that you are targeting with turning 66 into a bluff.

I'd feel better about turning AJhh into a bluff here, but don't take my word for it (NL5 player)

Originally posted by la55i

I think we should treat unknowns as potential fish and this kind of bluffs are not ok. So good move, wrong villain?

Yes i got a little bit mixed up about the villain here because of playing too many tables.. Going to stay with max 6 tables from now on.

Originally posted by TerrorBlade

If you were MP, how do you play your 77-QQ, because those are the hands that you are targeting with turning 66 into a bluff.

I'd feel better about turning AJhh into a bluff here, but don't take my word for it (NL5 player)

As the MP I would not cbet 77 because of flop is so dry and we block most 67 hands -> then bluffcatch with it. 88-QQ I would bet/bet/bet to get value from 67/66+. Sometimes check the turn to balance like the villain did here.

But if I was the guy with QQ in this hand I would have trouble calling that bet on the river.

I think that you are right. I should turn my hands like Ax to bluff because 66 has a lot more showdown value than AJ. (66 wins AQ+AK+AJ+Ax on showdown)

I think that I had an ok idea to bluff here but I had wrong hand and wrong opponent Do you agree? Or was my bluff bad here?

The bluff is bad. You should do it vs villain that can fold.
You have an opportunity to see a river for free- take it.
Note, that villain called a 2/3 bet on turn... this should ring some bells.

I would fold TT-QQ to your river bet. I don't mind this bluff.

You never have Kx here. Even if you call the flop sometimes with some Kx, it would be x back otr. With 77 you would be probably not betting the turn. So you are left with mid PP or hand like 87s, JTs, and I'm never folding TT-QQ.
Maybe hand like JTs could be a bluff here and hope he is folding hand like 66-99, AQ.

Why would you check back Kx otr?

Pair and flush on board?...

Like VascataBuci said that he is calling otr with TT-QQ. IF we dont bet Kx hands otr we miss value. Dont be scared when the bd flush comes....

You don't have many Kx anyway.

Wait, the pot was 3way, right?

Since I am calling 66 purely to setmine I would fold on the flop right away. The problem is, that almost any Turncard is bad for us + Villains cbettingrange is way too strong (mostly better overpairs). As played you just gotta check it down. Your perceived range does not contain (m)any Kx and apart from trips (which you never have) or a flopped full house, there's not a lot that you can represent. I probably have 0 bluffs in this spot and would strongly consider playing very honest multiway, or on this limit in general without putting too much money in bluffs like these

what about an occasional KcJc that can call OTF?

If you were playing against someone who was actually paying attention to the game, I think you're play would have worked. Unfortunately plays like this don't work against fish.

Imagine that we could see this hand from villains perspective. Pretend it way him, holding TT, that posted this thread. There is no way that anyone around would recommend a call on the river. Not even those that here say they'd call. And not even me with my "balanced perspective". I'd have some Kx to defend with (besides 12 combos of JJ/QQ).

(This doesn't mean that I advocate this bluff, but it isn't hopeless.)

It's a pity OP included the call here; it would be interesting to know if anyone is being swayed by the result.

I think Yohan has it, though. I cant see "call" being the consensus if this hand were posted by the villain seeking advice. If you wouldn't call here with 88-QQ, you can't turn around and say "bad bluff".

Heck I'd float as hero here with a backdoor + gutty every time and a backdoor only other times as well. No way you can say hero cant have a flush or another suited king here.

It sucks to bluff in this hand because people in general don't fold enough. Of course we are better ( ) but that doesn't mean that everyone plays like a pokerstrategy member

Originally posted by Hesticus
what about an occasional KcJc that can call OTF?

This is 1combo...

and what about AdJd+? I can see a call from these 5 combos actually. However, still I would find a fold yes.

AdJd is another 1combo.