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Jaissica
Joined: 10.02.2009

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 115.48 BB (VPIP: 15.79, PFR: 10.53, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 78)
SB: 193.04 BB (VPIP: 22.68, PFR: 18.56, 3Bet Preflop: 11.76, Hands: 97)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 11.36, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 13.64, Hands: 45)
UTG: 97.92 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
UTG+1: 39.24 BB (VPIP: 11.25, PFR: 7.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 82)
MP: 50 BB (VPIP: 13.10, PFR: 9.17, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 232)
MP+1: 108.8 BB (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 22)
Hero (MP+2): 113.24 BB
CO: 100.84 BB (VPIP: 13.34, PFR: 10.14, 3Bet Preflop: 3.24, Hands: 598)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A♥ A♣

UTG calls 1 BB, UTG+1 raises to 3.6 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 11 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls 10 BB, fold

Flop: (27 BB, 2 players) 4♣ 3♦ 6♥
UTG checks, Hero bets 17 BB, UTG calls 17 BB

Turn: (61 BB, 2 players) 8♣
UTG checks, Hero bets 35 BB, UTG raises to 69.92 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 34.92 BB

River: (200.84 BB, 2 players) 2♠

So this pot I find interesting. I have trouble quantifying the range of someone who colds a 3 bet in the middle of the 2 bettor and the 3 bettor. I can't find sensible players doing this with anything except a trapping overpair. The investment vs payoff to limp-call small or middle PP is simply far too high given you are investing 10% of your stack with the possibility of burning it up if the open raiser 4 bets.

So opinions on the lines through the streets. I made a deliberate decision on the flop that I would go all in with both players as I did not believe 33 44 66 could be in either of their ranges in this spot.

Spoiler

UTG shows 4♦ 4♠ (Three of a Kind, Fours)
(Pre 19%, Flop 89%, Turn 95%)
Hero shows A♥ A♣ (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 81%, Flop 11%, Turn 5%)
UTG wins 192.84 BB

I've included the spoiler as I actually find it kind of funny.


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VaskataBuci
Joined: 08.08.2011

Nice hand. Villain looks fishy but he could have here 55. Some gutshot with FD maybe. It is possible for him to have felt that ott after your bet he would be pot committed, who knows what is in the fish head. X/r ott looks strong but I personally would never fold here against fish.


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kriko92
Joined: 16.11.2010

I like the line and your thought process, it's never fold on turn as he can have TT-KK. The only question for me is whether the sizings are good. I think we should choose between smaller flop/turn and shove river for three streets or bigger flop and then shove turn. On this board against weaker player I think I prefer the second option - bet 22-23 bb flop and the rest on turn.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

KK is not so possible,but who knows.
QQ-88 are right there.


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marsa08
Joined: 30.01.2014

Ott no need to fold since you are already so committed.

Just a thought;

Your high cards are not cbetting this flop so you could check this hand on the flop aswell. Cbetting turns your hand face up.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Do you have 44 and 33 in your range? Then you can make a GTO fold on turn here (he invests 70bb in a 95bb pot -> fold about 40% of bluff catchers).

Add to that the somewhat reliable information that villain limp-called a 3-bet, check-calls 3-ways on the flop and checkraises turn, starting with a 97bb stack. All this versus a probable high pair (yours). He thinks he is clever, and to some extent he probably is if he doesn't do this with 88-QQ as others suggest. I think he likes money more than he hates it, but is a little rusty on the mathematics of calling 3-bets cold preflop OOP.


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Hesticus
Joined: 24.06.2008

Yes, looks like a fishy play as villain is set mining on a 3bet situation. I would make a note of this one. I see quite some suited broadway cards, over pairs and indeed as Nitrol said, 1 set of 88. So wouldn't fold this one and dare to say WP.


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duder1n0
Joined: 07.07.2009

I don't like your postflop sizings. My plan would be to bet 3 streets, so cbet flop ~9-10bb. His range is full of air on this board, and with the smaller sizing I can induce him to spazz out as well.


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Jaissica
Joined: 10.02.2009

Originally posted by Hesticus
Yes, looks like a fishy play as villain is set mining on a 3bet situation. I would make a note of this one. I see quite some suited broadway cards, over pairs and indeed as Nitrol said, 1 set of 88. So wouldn't fold this one and dare to say WP.

The problem was I gave him too much credit to have a small set there, of course. I figured I was taking value off a dumbo slowplay - or splitting vs a dumbo with the last AA combo.


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Afulibador
Joined: 21.08.2009

Ur bet doesnt leave space to fold after ott. So, nothing to do as played but call.


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