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SH, A7s CO vs MP Bluff 3betting

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marsa08
Joined: 30.01.2014

Originally posted by la55i
I'm not saying 3betting A7s is necessarily bad, just discussing whether it is optimal :)

Yes I know this. Why not to bluff vs a villain who folds too much on the flop? "Insta" profits when he calls your 3bet and folds to your cbet? Its the same thing as 3 betting vs a guy who folds too much to 3 bets, but you just get more value from him because he calls your 3 bet and then folds.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Instead of bluffing (using our 3bet bluff range), I would use merged range (any broadway etc..). That way we have a chance to hit better OTF. If we want to exploit his low ft3bet and high f2cbet it will get very expencive at the times he doesn't fold OTF. Anyway this kind of exploit requires a lot of information about villain and this is something that I would not do as a standard.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

We can exploit that villain polarised. We are exploiting his postflop weakness.
You can do it merged too.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Originally posted by nitrol
We can exploit that villain polarised. We are exploiting his postflop weakness.
You can do it merged too.

How exactly do you exploit that villain is polarized? I can see how to di it if he, in addition, is unbalanced.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

We are polarised not villain.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

I am lost?(


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Hesticus
Joined: 24.06.2008

I think because he says that we can 3bet or fold. To do this, we should 3bet with a perceived polarized range.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

If villain does not fold much to 3b but folds much to cbet we can 3b pre with wider range?


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srna10
Joined: 17.12.2010

Without any villain stats, it's a fold preflop.

As played,I think turn is also fold, Yes, hero has FD/GSD but hasn't got odds to call. Hero only get 2.5:1 pot odds while he need 3.5:1 with 10 clear outs, even with 12 outs odds are 3:1. So it's a fold for me.

IP I prefer xb F/call T or bet F/xb T line whilst OOP would bet F/T and evaluate on raise and R.


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Pistoleroo
Joined: 06.02.2015

Originally posted by srna10
Without any villain stats, it's a fold preflop.

As played,I think turn is also fold, Yes, hero has FD/GSD but hasn't got odds to call. Hero only get 2.5:1 pot odds while he need 3.5:1 with 10 clear outs, even with 12 outs odds are 3:1. So it's a fold for me.

IP I prefer xb F/call T or bet F/xb T line whilst OOP would bet F/T and evaluate on raise and R.

No it is not.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Originally posted by Pistoleroo

Originally posted by srna10
Without any villain stats, it's a fold preflop.

As played,I think turn is also fold, Yes, hero has FD/GSD but hasn't got odds to call. Hero only get 2.5:1 pot odds while he need 3.5:1 with 10 clear outs, even with 12 outs odds are 3:1. So it's a fold for me.

IP I prefer xb F/call T or bet F/xb T line whilst OOP would bet F/T and evaluate on raise and R.

No it is not.

I think it could be.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Originally posted by Pistoleroo

Originally posted by srna10
Without any villain stats, it's a fold preflop.

As played,I think turn is also fold, Yes, hero has FD/GSD but hasn't got odds to call. Hero only get 2.5:1 pot odds while he need 3.5:1 with 10 clear outs, even with 12 outs odds are 3:1. So it's a fold for me.

IP I prefer xb F/call T or bet F/xb T line whilst OOP would bet F/T and evaluate on raise and R.

No it is not.

Yes , it is, for the reasons given above. We need info to call or 3b.


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