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Flush on turn - sizing and line check

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schelleXL
Joined: 05.05.2011

Hello,

I think its okay
Pré I can call with good hand (not great).

Flop I decide to c/r instead of donk. UTG+1 should have overpair he wants to protect and BTN can have draws/sets

is sizing okay ?

Turn is good, lower card then the board and flush comes in. Betting would make my hand obvious so wanted to c/c here

River I bet for value of sets, straights and A7 type of hands. Would have loved to see a card around 8-T range.

Hero (SB): $10.05
BB: $10.00 (VPIP: 17.79, PFR: 15.09, 3Bet Preflop: 3.55, Hands: 378)
UTG: $10.45 (VPIP: 19.89, PFR: 13.69, 3Bet Preflop: 4.07, Hands: 1,425)
UTG+1: $16.76 (VPIP: 42.17, PFR: 9.57, 3Bet Preflop: 1.00, Hands: 232)
MP: $10.70 (VPIP: 16.50, PFR: 15.53, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 105)
CO: $11.36 (VPIP: 23.48, PFR: 3.48, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 117)
BTN: $12.10 (VPIP: 17.41, PFR: 14.44, 3Bet Preflop: 6.08, Hands: 1,243)

Hero posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has T♠ A♠

fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.30, fold, fold, BTN calls $0.30, Hero calls $0.25, fold

Flop: ($1.00, 3 players) 3♠ 7♠ 5♣
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $0.48, BTN calls $0.48, Hero raises to $1.60, UTG+1 calls $1.12, BTN calls $1.12

Turn: ($5.80, 3 players) 2♠
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, BTN checks

River: ($5.80, 3 players) A♣
Hero bets $3.04, fold, BTN calls $3.04

Spoiler

Hero shows T♠ A♠ (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 49%, Flop 50%, Turn 100%)
BTN mucks 4♠ 4♥ (Straight, Five High)
(Pre 51%, Flop 50%, Turn 0%)
Hero wins $11.35


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

As played: You can safely bet turn. You don't represent many flushes since your flop line is by no means "standard" (it is actually a bad choice). Also, by not betting, any :spade: OTR will dry up the action.


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schelleXL
Joined: 05.05.2011

should we always donk flop then multiway with FD ?


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

It is an option. It builds the pot and somewhat more than a check-call masquerades our holding if we hit. The check-raise, on the other hand, is a much more expensive way of bluffing that most likely will end up heads up out of position on a missed turn in a big pot. This is not comfortable. By donking (or check-calling), the pot is more likely to be 3-ways and reasonably big (this is what we want). But don't donk turn against two players those times you miss.


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srna10
Joined: 17.12.2010

There is no need for flop raise, hero is getting good odds for calling.
As played, bet small turn and river, don't let villain to xb turn.
OOP I would lead and bet flop/turn with NFD.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I would bet flop myself here.


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sapef
Joined: 17.10.2011

vs a fish is good to call Ats here in SB, but if both are regs, fold o 3b sqezee .
in a mwp vs a fish is too better to call draws comparated to x/r or lead becouse u get so much odds and implied odds vs fishes here .
if u have over pairs or sets o 2 pairs here is better to lead !!


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schelleXL
Joined: 05.05.2011

the problem is that I have seen so many advice for donking on this type of flop : donk :

sets
overpairs
2 pairs
flushdraws ...

don't we have a c/r range here ?
or c/c range ?

while others say : donking is for donkeys ...


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

In multiway pots when you want to continue with your hand it is better to bet yourself and take the initiative than x/c and risk that everyone checks behind.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

I would bet turn and bet river. As played we missed value.


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Hesticus
Joined: 24.06.2008

No need to hold back at the micros. Just bet for value. Even if villain would fold somehow, it is better to let him fold many times but have 1 time have him call a huge value bet from you than he will call small bets because in the end, it is -EV when you lose value.


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