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mistralx
Joined: 13.08.2014

PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 68.6 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
SB: 320.4 BB (VPIP: 23.53, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 52)
BB: 99 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
Hero (UTG): 238.8 BB
MP: 258.6 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 5)
CO: 118.6 BB (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 66.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A♥ J♠

Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (6.4 BB, 2 players) 6♥ J♣ 7♣
BB bets 3 BB, Hero raises to 11 BB, BB calls 8 BB

Turn: (28.4 BB, 2 players) K♦
BB bets 13.6 BB, fold,

Preflop - std
Flop - wet board, many value here. When I face x/r I really don't want to fold this immediately because he could easily played this way with draws.

Stół: 6♥J♣7♣
       Equity  Wygrana  Podział
MP2    33.37%   33.37%    0.00% { AhJs }
MP3    66.63%   66.63%    0.00% { JJ, 77-66, 98s, AcQc, KcQc, AcTc, KcTc, QcTc, Tc9c }

Turn - K is not a good card for me because it gives him a TP with a few of his FD. If I call Turn, I would have to hero call many Rivers. Additionally many cards are scary.

How would you play this spot?


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

When you call the flop raise, on what hands do you plan to call on turn?


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Are you guys misreading the board? There is no check raise, hero doesn't call any raise. Hero is the one raising.

So you face a donk, then you raise, which I don't like.
I would just call OTF and then decide OTT.


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mistralx
Joined: 13.08.2014

Weird situation.
I meant a different spot, copy different and wrote about different :f_ugly:

Let's ignore my post and focuse on this hand.
Why don't you like raising this Flop?
I mean, it's so wet and many many draws want to buy a cheap Turn.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

With raising you isolate yourself vs better hands only.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Fish might donk with a draw or weaker hit indeed but he also has sets and 2 pair in his range. By raising you will mostly isolate yourself against those stronger hands. He might also be inducing you to raise his donk. Our hand is just not strong enough to be raised.

As you can see here. Villain called your almost 4x raise OTF and then he donks turn again. Why? Because when you raised, you made sure that his range is only sets and 2 pair.


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Sunrise1912
Joined: 24.11.2009

Calling down on blanks would be my default play against regs. Depending on the betsizes later I might find a fold on T,Q, K and a club turn/river.

This donk size on this texture suggests a weaker player, presumably fish. Raising vs a fishy player is not as bad as the above posts suggets. All Jx, flush and straight draws will continue. So, i like raising here.

Turn is tricky and imporves some holdings with KcXc and KJ. Still a call for me for less than 1/2 pot bet.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

This is a situation to play a small pot. Qualitative arguments for raising vs fish are qualitatively fine. Arguments for not raising are fine too. They win for me.


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Pnnkaznk
Joined: 13.11.2009

Originally posted by Sunrise1912
Calling down on blanks would be my default play against regs. Depending on the betsizes later I might find a fold on T,Q, K and a club turn/river.

This donk size on this texture suggests a weaker player, presumably fish. Raising vs a fishy player is not as bad as the above posts suggets. All Jx, flush and straight draws will continue. So, i like raising here.

Turn is tricky and imporves some holdings with KcXc and KJ. Still a call for me for less than 1/2 pot bet.

I agree, it looks like flush draw, his flop bet is small.


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LeSavant
Joined: 09.12.2006

On the low stakes people donk flop with all kind of stuff and as mentioned before with your raise you basically hope to play against a weak player who pays you off with a draw or a weak pair while you isolate yourself against stronger hands if you're up against a reg. Turn bet might still be a strange block bet as it is only 50%
I think calling down is the best option, folding only if the board gets too ugly or if he's making it too expensive.
Also I think he might have a wider range as he is playing from BB. (I would give him more like 66-JJ, 45s-QJs (pairs+fd or QJ even w/o fd), Acxc, AJ, KJ maybe even something like J8s.) After you raise he will fold most of his weaker hands, although I think the range you gave him might still be a bit too strong. especially on this limit where people tend to call too much (like TPWK or weak draws).


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Hesticus
Joined: 24.06.2008

OTF was a call for me. I understand the donk principle but I would that do with lower equity hands (SDs or FDs) that have chance to improve significantly. Call 2 streets max here IMO.


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