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vengeance77
Joined: 18.04.2010

[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.08/$0.16 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $26.83 (167.7 bb)
BB: $19.89 (124.3 bb)
UTG: $15.44 (96.5 bb)
MP: $21.70 (135.6 bb)
CO: $18.23 (113.9 bb)
Hero (BTN): $33.99 (212.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with K♠ J♠
UTG folds, MP calls $0.16, CO folds, Hero raises to $0.72, 2 folds, MP calls $0.56

Flop: ($1.68) 3♥ 6♣ T♦ (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $1.05, MP calls $1.05

Turn: ($3.78) A♥ (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $2.38, MP calls $2.38

River: ($8.54) Q♥ (2 players)
MP bets $14.56, Hero ?
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Hesticus
Joined: 24.06.2008

If unknown, we cannot call this hand. Many flushes possible. Villain will not play aggressive suddenly with 2p or a set. Villain wants you to call here. Other than that, you have any info on villain?


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Why do you 3b preflop?
Why do you cbet flop and turn.
Do you think he has weak hand than a flush OTR?


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I think pre 3bet is a bit too wide. I might not cbet flop here but maybe it is not so bad to do so.
Folding this OTR would be fine especially against unknown. But would it be bad if we called? This is one of our best bluff catchers here, Ah Qh block decent amount of his flush draws and how likely he is calling flop and turn with a hand that made a flush?


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rompas
Joined: 12.02.2014

without any good reads/notes i would fold here at river, Iso raise at button against limper and blinds looks standard to me..


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I missread the pre flop action.. Isoraising a limper is totally fine, I thought this was a 3bet :f_biggrin:


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HardTilt
Joined: 14.10.2013

Preflop, I like the sizing. If the limpers are loose passive, you want to bet KJs for value. But you should always put villian on range.. Does the player usually open limp hands like Kxs,Qxs, Jxs, pp, scs, + the rabish hands all loose passive players play ...
in that case, sure, KJs is a good bet preflop,
@ the flop, the cbet is standard, knowing that we cbet bluff here, so if we get any action, we are going to fold our hand, even if we have 6outs for our hand to improve. But the cbet is fine T63, many cards that could come on the turn that will help us improve, OR, semibluff ( if a Q come on turn), or checkbehind A or 9 ;) as we dont want to get checkraised there and be forced to fold the gutshut.
so flop action is good.. turn action, didnt love it, I would prefer potcontroll and take a free card..
on the river, the lead is intersting... hands we beat are:
sets, two pairs, and the missed draws there are : 54,52,75,79,78,89 for stright draws. many of those cards could be suited, Like they flopped a strightdraw, with a backdoors flush..
Now, The only part that matter here is our read on the villian.. How long have you played against him, Did he show bluffs when he overbet potts on river?
If we go for the standard play against Loose passive, when a loose passive wake up with aggression.. it means they have a hand! when they check-call they have marginal hands, and when they raise, it means monster. thats what i learnt playing poker , but i could be wrong.
so, Fold, and try to get notes on that player


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Turn and river are folds. I do not like betting or calling.


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rompas
Joined: 12.02.2014

Originally posted by VaskataBuci
Preflop iso raise is OK. Flop bet on this board, whith little chance to improve is kind of spewy imo. I would agree if there is :spade: Not sure about turn. Might be OK to bet. River - might be some hand like T♥:X:heart: or 4♥:5♥: or complete bluff.

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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Turn is a check-back.

As played, river is a call. There are no flushes in villain's range that makes any sense. Not a single one (K♥:J♥: maybe). Nor does the overbet if he has a flush.

Yes, I am aware that villain does not make sense at all (and could have milions of flushes), but it is my turn to go exploitative for once and see bluffs in huge bets.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

This is a power line on the micros. Not calling river.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

You're objectively right. But this time I'm just too curious. Too few combos that beat us can reasonably take that line. It looks more to me actually like a misplayed slowplayed set. Or a not-so-bad bluff. He has no particular reason to be scared of the flush.

Besides, our hand is a legit bluff catcher, and we need to win just 40% to be BE. (We should be calling 33% of our range (letting him be BE on bluffs), and he should be bluffing 40% (offering us 3:2) according to balance, so we do not really screw up by calling since we have few flushes in our range.)

That said, I reiterate: You're objectively right. But this time I'm just too curious. I want to play "guess if villain is bluffing" sometimes like everybody else


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Sunrise1912
Joined: 24.11.2009

Flushes in his range: 45, 78, 89, 79, 65, 67, 68, 8T, 9T, TJ, KT. I dont think he has KJs as i dont believe he would call flop with that. He must have had a piece of the flop to continue with.

I just think that this guys would raise the turn with every 2pair/set combo in his range. So, i guess this should be a fold


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Limp/caller can have a wide range of flushes here. It is not a 3b pot...


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