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AQo flops TP gets donked into

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slippyjim
Joined: 07.10.2011

5th hand so readless

When he donks pot I figure he has an Ace maybe a set and is scared about the flush and wants value, if he has FD I dont think he donks pot he will donk smaller. I decide to raise & get it in as I'm sure he will call with a weaker ace, would I be better off just calling IP? If I just call flop and he shoves the turn for about pot can I ever fold?
Against 99,77,A2s+,A2o+ I am 63%

Poker Stars, $3.11 Buy-in (10/20 blinds, 3 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: 1,308 (65.4 bb)
BB: 1,785 (89.3 bb)
UTG+1: 1,488 (74.4 bb)
UTG+2: 1,720 (86 bb)
Hero (MP1): 1,488 (74.4 bb)
MP2: 1,448 (72.4 bb)
MP3: 1,233 (61.7 bb)
CO: 1,485 (74.3 bb)
BTN: 1,545 (77.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q♠: A♦:
2 folds, Hero raises to 60, MP2 folds, MP3 calls 60, 2 folds, SB calls 50, BB calls 40

Flop: (267) 9♥: 7♠: A♥: (4 players)
SB bets 260, BB folds, Hero raises to 660, MP3 folds, SB raises to 1,245 and is all-in, Hero calls 585

Turn: (2,757) 8♦: (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: (2,757) 2♥: (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results:

Spoiler

2,757 pot
Final Board: 9♥: 7♠: A♥: 8♦: 2♥:
SB showed K♦: A♣: and won 2,757 (1,449 net)
BB mucked and lost (-63 net)
Hero showed Q♠: A♦: and lost (-1,308 net)
MP3 mucked and lost (-63 net)


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TomClassy
Joined: 06.05.2015

He actually could bet so big with sets more than with Ax to get most value from Ax and vice versa there are less reason to bet big with A blocker in both cases: when you have a better A and not (in the former case he doesn't get value from pocket pairs and second pairs and in the latter case he looses to better Ax which raised preflop)
As played, I would not want to raise without info here and presume that you mostly get action of better hands. I think I would call and reevaluate OTT.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

This is a tricky spot. This is a typical spot you are in front or far behind and if you raise you need to go all-inn as well. I would go for a call and her-evaluate the turn.

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SDK1987


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slippyjim
Joined: 07.10.2011

I think I agree a call is probably best here, but what do I do OTT, what is a scare card OTT?
I dont think hes donking for pot any kind of draw OTF so what cards OTT will stop me calling a bet?


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TomClassy
Joined: 06.05.2015

I don't think there is a scare card indeed. You will need to base your decision upon his action and see if your AQo is good enough against what he is representing


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slippyjim
Joined: 07.10.2011

If I call the pot is 787 assuming no one else calls
SB approx 950
Hero 1140
OTT Against 99,77,A2s+,A2o+ I am down to 57%
OTT I guess if he pots or shoves I fold?
But if he bets anything less then I'm committed anyway, I cant call 1/2 pot OTT then fold to his 500 chip shove OTR.
It's a shitty spot!!!!:f_o:


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

If he bet a decent amount you can consider folding the turn indeed.


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TomClassy
Joined: 06.05.2015

After he donk potted OTF which was an unconventional and strong move following his limp OOP he would most likely continue with his strong hands (by betting samely big or be betting small to get better pot odds for you for a call OTR) and give up mediocre hand or a total bluff (may be would have bet small or check) when he saw that you had quite a good hand to call a big bet OTF. Anyway, I would always call his small bet and reevaluate OTR.


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