Originally posted by RodolfoPdeCN
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Originally posted by canad32
Yes, stick to w3... Strategy, don't listen to other players
I would bet in this spot much less, 10-20% pot. With 50% bet size, you turned your hand into bluff.
Hi there. This is a bit confusing...
"Don't listen to other players" - followed by your opinion - I assume you are an "other player"?
Then "I would bet 10-20%" - that is about as close to checking as you can get with out actually checking so your strategy is super close to what I am suggesting and you then agree that Alleen is bluffing with his betsizes (agree 100%).
The other suggestion is that this is actually Weasel's strategy here and although I don't know him I doubt that. Which is exactly why my initial suggestion was "ask your coach".
GL.
"Don't listen to other players" - followed by your opinion - I assume you are an "other player"?
Sorry for being imprecise, English is not my native language. By saying don't liste to other players, I meant regarding protection betting because one player in this thread wrote that he would win higher limits if he would stop protection betting, so I suggested that he should listen to coach and not opinions of other players who are learning poker. Still explained confusing
Then "I would bet 10-20%" - that is about as close to checking as you can get with out actually checking so your strategy is super close to what I am suggesting and you then agree that Alleen is bluffing with his betsizes (agree 100%).
Yes it is close to checking, but still you get some hands to fold which have equity vs your hand and if they dont, then you value bet vs those with that small bet size.
The other suggestion is that this is actually Weasel's strategy here and although I don't know him I doubt that. Which is exactly why my initial suggestion was "ask your coach".
Yes, Weasel is explaining protection betting in one of his latest videos, where he uses small bet sizes for protection / thin value betting
Here is the report for Get Rich or Die Tryin' - The Bankroll Challenge:
Starting bankroll: 1.061,04 USD
Targeting bankroll: 5.305,20 USD
Last week bankroll: 2.349,37 USD
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Week 80
Hands (NL25): 9.609
Profit: -18,28 USD
Rakeback: 30,00 USD
Week 80 profit: 11,72 USD
Week 80 progress: 0,50%
Current bankroll: 2.361,09 USD
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Overall profit: 1.300,05 USD
Overall progress: 30,63%
Had a swingy week, but happy to end it with a profit (with the rakeback). Here is the graph:
Here is the report for Get Rich or Die Tryin' - The Bankroll Challenge:
Starting bankroll: 1.061,04 USD
Targeting bankroll: 5.305,20 USD
Last week bankroll: 2.361,09 USD
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Week 81
Hands (NL25): 6.204
Profit: -57,22 USD
Rakeback: 34,00 USD
Week 81 profit: -23,22 USD
Week 81 progress: -0,98%
Current bankroll: 2.337,87 USD
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Overall profit: 1.276,83 USD
Overall progress: 30,08%
A bit annoying week behind me with alot of coolers and bad beats (including the hand where BB 3bet/called Hero CO with 64s and hits a straight), but nothing dramatic happened overall. Still have alot of chips to bust before having to move down to NL16. My wish is to reach $3.200 by the end of the year and take shots at NL50. Chances are still alive so hopefully it will happen. 
What a session!
Think this is my biggest losing sesson so far, but after a quick analysis, I would play just a couple of spots differently and lose aproximately the same. Poker is not threating me well lately, but the focus is now on surviving this period without dropping the game quality. Am I good enough to stay at NL25? 
Originally posted by Alleen86
Poker is not threating me well lately, but the focus is now on surviving this period without dropping the game quality. Am I good enough to stay at NL25?Imo you should not have any trouble beating nl25, I wouldn't be worried after a few not so good sessions. ♠_thumbsup:
Originally posted by marsa08
Originally posted by Alleen86
Poker is not threating me well lately, but the focus is now on surviving this period without dropping the game quality. Am I good enough to stay at NL25?Imo you should not have any trouble beating nl25, I wouldn't be worried after a few not so good sessions. ♠_thumbsup:
I hope so. Thanks!
Couldn't be more break-even by the EV, but I do feel that was hit a bit harder by the variance through that period, especially in last 20k hands. Nothing went my way. Couldn't hit any board, couldn't bluff anyone, coolers, bad beats etc. So I believe (but am not convinced) that my true winrate should be at least 2 bb/100. Will certainly do my best to prove that in next 50k hands (if wouldn't have to drop down a limit before reaching it).
Originally posted by Alleen86
Oh, this is the hand, if someone else is reading:Originally posted by Alleen86
Originally posted by Eatyourpeas
(Side point: If you have got a coach get him to look at that pot you won against me with 77 last night as that was the last hand I expected you to have, turned out you were value betting against ME but I am not sure what you were doing?)Hmm, I can't find the hand because I don't know your PokerStars nickname. What happened?
The "wierdest" 77 yesterday was this:
Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.SB: $28.71 (114.8 bb)
Hero (BB): $34.77 (139.1 bb)
UTG: $9.97 (39.9 bb)
MP: $21.36 (85.4 bb)
CO: $29.45 (117.8 bb)
BTN: $26.78 (107.1 bb)Preflop: Hero is BB with 7♦: 7♠:
3 folds, BTN raises to $0.56, SB folds, Hero calls $0.31Flop: ($1.22) 9♣: 2♥: K♦: (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checksTurn: ($1.22) K♣: (2 players)
Hero bets $0.58, BTN calls $0.58River: ($2.38) K♥: (2 players)
Hero bets $1.13, BTN calls $1.13Results:
Spoiler
$4.64 pot ($0.21 rake)
Final Board: 9♣: 2♥: K♦: K♣: K♥:
Hero showed 7♦: 7♠: and won $4.43 ($2.16 net)
BTN mucked A♦: 3♣: and lost (-$2.27 net)
If that's the hand, turn bet was mostly a protection bet (don't want to see any overcard to 7 OTR), but also a thin value bet. I expect K or 9 to cbet the flop most of the time. The river could be a check, I believe, but I decided for a thin value/blocking bet because expect 66-22 to call sometimes given how the board developed + I don't want to face a big bet. What did you put me on to call the river?
I can't find another 77 hand where I bet the river...
I like that theory of betting vs missed cbet. But I think we need to be careful still with "Kx would cbet most of the time". I would not cbet K3-K8, maybe even KT, TT-QQ, because there are not many overcards which have high equity and will fold. Like vs K there is just A overcard and it does not have high equity. Vs TT there is QJ, AJ overcards. Qj will not fold (GS), AJ give the positions also likely call. And we are not getting 3 streets of value from those medium hands. But those hands work well as bluffcatchers vs attacks like you mentioned vs missed cbet. Otherwise its really easy to attack us when we do not have protection range.
I mean what I have learned is: cbet medium hand only when there are high equity hands which can fold, so that we get protection. By high equity I mean at least 2 overcards equity.
If I can see only one hand which are 2 overs, then I also do not cbet. For example A22 and I have JJ. Overs which will fold are KQ. I check.
Originally posted by Alleen86
I do feel that was hit a bit harder by the variance through that period, especially in last 20k hands. Nothing went my way. Couldn't hit any board, couldn't bluff anyone, coolers, bad beats etc. So I believe (but am not convinced) that my true winrate should be at least 2 bb/100. Will certainly do my best to prove that in next 50k hands (if wouldn't have to drop down a limit before reaching it).
Don't worry 50k hands is a small sample, as is 100k hands.
See this if you have not already:
http://pokerdope.com/poker-variance-calculator/
@SPeedFANat1c
The reason why double barreling vs missed flop cbet when you are OOP is profitable by default at these limits is that people do not bluffcatch often enough. They don't generally check top and 2nd pairs OTF as a preflop aggressor. So, I believe it will be more profitable to double barrel even with a mid strenght hand or weaker showdown value (as a protection, thin value, bluff - who knows) than check/call and leave opponent to hit something better. I even remember one coaching session with w34z3l where he gave me a homework to bet and barrel every single time vs checks (no matter the hand I have, the board, the situation... no matter what) for a longer period of time just to see that this is working.
Originally posted by marsa08
Originally posted by Alleen86
I do feel that was hit a bit harder by the variance through that period, especially in last 20k hands. Nothing went my way. Couldn't hit any board, couldn't bluff anyone, coolers, bad beats etc. So I believe (but am not convinced) that my true winrate should be at least 2 bb/100. Will certainly do my best to prove that in next 50k hands (if wouldn't have to drop down a limit before reaching it).
Don't worry 50k hands is a small sample, as is 100k hands.
See this if you have not already:
http://pokerdope.com/poker-variance-calculator//blockquote >I know this, ofcourse. It's very interesting that if, for example, your true winrate is 3 bb/100 and you play 50k hands a month (which is unrealistic for the majority of us I believe), you can still have a losing year. One could ask yourself - does really skill play the biggest role for people who can't have volumes like 100k a month. Let's say one can play 20k hands a month, has a decent true winrate of 3 bb/100, but he could still lose big time even over period of 2 years. He will be convinced that he sucks.
Here is the report for Get Rich or Die Tryin' - The Bankroll Challenge:
Starting bankroll: 1.061,04 USD
Targeting bankroll: 5.305,20 USD
Last week bankroll: 2.337,87 USD
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Week 82
Hands (NL25): 7.976
Profit: -175,12 USD
Rakeback: 16,00 USD
Week 82 profit: -159,12 USD
Week 82 progress: -6,81%
Current bankroll: 2.178,75 USD
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Overall profit: 1.117,71 USD
Overall progress: 26,34%
Poker is definitely not giving a fair share lately and the week was very emotionaly consuming. Anyway, I still have $178,75 to lose before having to go back to NL16 and the chance that I will stay a NL25 reg is still realistic. Next three weeks will probably not have much time for poker because am getting married on 27th and am going to a seaside afterwards to arrive home just before the new school year starts. I'm also starting to be nervous because of the wedding. 
Alot of stuff to do before the Big Day. Let's hope everything will be just fine!
Originally posted by Alleen86
Originally posted by marsa08
Originally posted by Alleen86
I do feel that was hit a bit harder by the variance through that period, especially in last 20k hands. Nothing went my way. Couldn't hit any board, couldn't bluff anyone, coolers, bad beats etc. So I believe (but am not convinced) that my true winrate should be at least 2 bb/100. Will certainly do my best to prove that in next 50k hands (if wouldn't have to drop down a limit before reaching it).
Don't worry 50k hands is a small sample, as is 100k hands.
See this if you have not already:
http://pokerdope.com/poker-variance-calculator//blockquote >I know this, ofcourse. It's very interesting that if, for example, your true winrate is 3 bb/100 and you play 50k hands a month (which is unrealistic for the majority of us I believe), you can still have a losing year. One could ask yourself - does really skill play the biggest role for people who can't have volumes like 100k a month. Let's say one can play 20k hands a month, has a decent true winrate of 3 bb/100, but he could still lose big time even over period of 2 years. He will be convinced that he sucks.
checked the simulator, good thing is that its 25% probabilyty that you will be loosing over 50k hands. And after 1k hands its 17%, so the more hands, the less likely you will be loosing. It is likely that you will be breakeven, but then you add bonuses and its still good.
Next three weeks will probably not have much time for poker because am getting married on 27th and am going to a seaside afterwards to arrive home just before the new school year starts.
thats big thing, I wish you good marital life and hopefully you will still find time for this awesome game when being in family
Originally posted by SPeedFANat1c
Next three weeks will probably not have much time for poker because am getting married on 27th and am going to a seaside afterwards to arrive home just before the new school year starts.
thats big thing, I wish you good marital life and hopefully you will still find time for this awesome game when being in family
Thank you!
I will find the time, ofcourse. Nothing major will change in my life since we are allready living together and she is suporting me to play poker, as long as I have enough time for her.
Here is the report for Get Rich or Die Tryin' - The Bankroll Challenge:
Starting bankroll: 1.061,04 USD
Targeting bankroll: 5.305,20 USD
Last week bankroll: 2.178,75 USD
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Week 83
Hands (NL25): 501
Profit: 11,31 USD
Rakeback: 1,00 USD
Week 83 profit: 12,31 USD
Week 83 progress: 0,57%
Current bankroll: 2.191,06 USD
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Overall profit: 1.130,02 USD
Overall progress: 26,63%
Here is the report for Get Rich or Die Tryin' - The Bankroll Challenge:
Starting bankroll: 1.061,04 USD
Targeting bankroll: 5.305,20 USD
Last week bankroll: 2.191,06 USD
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Week 84
Hands (NL25): 0
Profit: 0,00 USD
Rakeback: 0,00 USD
Week 84 profit: 0,00 USD
Week 84 progress: 0,00%
Current bankroll: 2.191,06 USD
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Overall profit: 1.130,02 USD
Overall progress: 26,63%
No hands this week, but I am a married man! 
Originally posted by Alleen86
No hands this week, but I am a married man!Studying poker while taking wedding pictures.
