AK 3bet pot

Do you always 3b this hand?
It is ok postflop.

Not vs Nits.

Here villain is practically unknown as you have 11 hands on him. Do you always 3b this vs unknowns?

Yea, i always 3bet AK vs unknown.

Calling and 3betting preflop are both fine imo. I wouldn't always 3bet, though, because if we face a 4bet, we will often be in tricky spot. I guess flop cbet/call is fine because I don't think he has 66-55. On the other hand, I think we should be very carefull vs cbet raises, especially in those positions. I don't think he is check/raising KQ... So, I wouldn't mind folding right away, as a measure of exploiting the fact that players don't bluff check/raise often enough.

Nothing trickyif we 3b and face a 4b. We cannot fold there.

Originally posted by nitrol
Nothing trickyif we 3b and face a 4b. We cannot fold there.

I agree we cannot fold, but we will often be in a huge pot against very strong range with just overcards mostly. Also MP vs UTG AKs should be considered more as a semi-bluff 3bet than a value 3bet imo.

I am not folding vs his flop raise also not on blank turn. Villain is very likely fish, 11 sample with 50 vpip. Even vs reg I wouldnt fold unless I see very low raise vs cbet %. What is a reg value raising on flop? I would say that 55, 66 are not in UTG vs MP range, also he can overplay AK which many regs do in 3bet pot.

I think it is well played. Preflop is a matter of taste and postflop all is well. By the way, this deep, 55 and 66 are probably in a good villain's range (or they wouldn't be good), and they are definitely in a maniacs range.

Originally posted by YohanN7
I think it is well played. Preflop is a matter of taste and postflop all is well. By the way, this deep, 55 and 66 are probably in a good villain's range (or they wouldn't be good), and they are definitely in a maniacs range.

good reg is folding 55, 66 deep OOP unless he is playing vs bad villain. Those small PP play very bad OOP, also dominated. It is surely not in standard range. It is in a maniacs range but maniac is also going to bluff a lot when raising.

55, 66 are a call when deep as villain has implied odds due to the stack size.

I also mix it with AKs vs unknown UTG.
I like it as played postflop.

Preflop it is standard value 3b in position.
Flop I would either fold righ away or 3bet push. Calling the flop to fold on a blank turn does not make sense. Why do we call at all? If he is bluffing he might barrel turn as well.

I tend more towards folding flop as he would not be bluffing that much in 3b pot with c/r.

Originally posted by nitrol
55, 66 are a call when deep as villain has implied odds due to the stack size.

nope, only if villain is very bad.

Originally posted by canad32

Originally posted by YohanN7
I think it is well played. Preflop is a matter of taste and postflop all is well. By the way, this deep, 55 and 66 are probably in a good villain's range (or they wouldn't be good), and they are definitely in a maniacs range.

good reg is folding 55, 66 deep OOP unless he is playing vs bad villain. Those small PP play very bad OOP, also dominated. It is surely not in standard range. It is in a maniacs range but maniac is also going to bluff a lot when raising.

If you feel that way, you should probably not play deep. You become so tight and predictable that you cannot win.

If you feel that way, you should probably not play deep. You become so tight and predictable that you cannot win.

It is about EV of a hand not about playing predictable. small PP are playing badly OOP. They are dominated. They hit very badly on most flops and mostly you can't +EV float with them, meaning that you have to fold most of the time. The hands that are ok deep are suited broadways, aces which hit big hands more often and flop better (better playability, can float or raise on many boards +EV). Still, OOP it is likely that those hands are also -EV calls.
If you are playing vs a bad player, e.g. someone who is only 3betting strong hands and when you hit a set he is going to pay you off the whole stack very often, then more hands become +EV when playing deep.

Ask your coach if he would call small PP OOP vs 3bet deep (or not deep). Or search for some ranges in internet.

Pre flop I would just flat but 3betting is not bad. Postflop seems ok.
55 and 66 are in villains range. I would call those when deep.

I guess it is correct play in deep stacks. If opponent is fishy his 3b call range could also contain KK-AA, he also could easily call for set value with with 55-66. The opponent's line in quite strong XR 3X in 3b pot => Bet 2/3 Pot. I guess good fold.

Originally posted by canad32
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Ask your coach if he would call small PP OOP vs 3bet deep (or not deep). Or search for some ranges in internet.

Not too impressed with internet ranges (or all coaches). All that matters is that villain gets better to 3:1 in direct odds and about 25:1 (150:6) in implied odds. This is almost ideal for set mining, especially since Hero has announced a strong hand. (In fact, I'd actually like to call a slightly bigger raise more.) The situation is almost analogous to villain limping (lets say he mis-clicked if you like most disapprove of limps), facing a 5 bb raise 100 bb deep (this is about 25:1 too). Then you'd probably argue he should call. The difference is that villain is here up against a much stronger range, and that is precisely what he should want. This is poker 101.

If the opponent doesn't pay off, well, then either fold (I do agree that suited connectors or suited broadways play a little better in this case), or call and play good deep-stacked poker. This includes blowing villain off AA on low boards. If that is also not possible, then I object. You can't have it both ways. He either pays off and is not bluffable or does not pay off and is bluffable. Whoever wins is, modulo position, the best poker player.

If you feel that you can't win money, or simply don't ever make big bluffs even if you think you could, then, I repeat, don't play deep because you wont play as well as you could. I myself leave the table if there is a dude remotely good with a deep stack right behind me if I am playing a level where I am not entirely comfortable losing 2 buy-ins or more.