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Pnnkaznk
Joined: 13.11.2009

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 106.8 BB
SB: 113.8 BB (VPIP: 19.23, PFR: 11.54, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 26)
BB: 80.7 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)
UTG: 24.7 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
MP: 113.1 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
CO: 113.2 BB (VPIP: 37.50, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 24)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K♣ T♣

fold, MP raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, MP calls 6 BB

Flop: (19.5 BB, 2 players) 2♦ 8♠ A♣
MP checks, Hero bets 10.2 BB, MP calls 10.2 BB

Turn: (39.9 BB, 2 players) 8♣
MP checks, Hero bets 20.9 BB, MP raises to 93.9 BB and is all-in, fold

Spoiler

MP wins 78 BB


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

1. Do you always 3b this?
2. Flop cbet is ok.
3. Turn cbet is not ok. Board is paired and you can be far behind. Fold vs the push.
4. Give your thought process...


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

Preflop we can call. With the info that MP either 1) folds alot to 3bets or 2) doesn't 4bet and folds to flop cbets alot I would 3bet. So, call without info imo. Postflop is fine.


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Pnnkaznk
Joined: 13.11.2009

Originally posted by nitrol
1. Do you always 3b this?
2. Flop cbet is ok.
3. Turn cbet is not ok. Board is paired and you can be far behind. Fold vs the push.
4. Give your thought process...

Originally posted by Alleen86
Preflop we can call. With the info that MP either 1) folds alot to 3bets or 2) doesn't 4bet and folds to flop cbets alot I would 3bet. So, call without info imo. Postflop is fine.

Sometimes i 3bet without read, A2s-A5s or some other hands i consider are not good enough for calling or player behind me are agresive and they culd squeze if i call, usualy i 3bet bluff when they have 70%+ fold to 3bet. But i guess alleen is right this might be good enough for call.

I have just checked my debatse becouse i am on losing streak for last 20k hands, while first 20k hands i was running for more than 10bb/100h. And all stats are same in that 2 periods but 3bet, i 3bet 2% more in 20k hands losing streak. My 3bet is not big, only 5,5%. SO not sure if thats my leak.

@ nitrol When he calls flop, i think on turn he will have pocket pairs, or Ax, we are only crushed by AA, we still have equity vs Ax . And with turn bet i want to get him fold TT JJ QQ maybe some low Axs.


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

Originally posted by Pnnkaznk
Sometimes i 3bet without read, A2s-A5s or some other hands i consider are not good enough for calling or player behind me are agresive and they culd squeze if i call, usualy i 3bet bluff when they have 70%+ fold to 3bet. But i guess alleen is right this might be good enough for call.

I think it's totally fine to 3bet even without a read, but calling would be my default option. A common read tells that people on these limits fold alot vs 3bets, so I don't mind 3betting whenever it makes some sense. I should also do it a bit more than I currently do.


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lazaradzex2
Joined: 07.08.2016

ascfasd


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010
canad32
Joined: 19.01.2016

3. Turn cbet is not ok. Board is paired and you can be far behind. Fold vs the push.

Turn is ok cbet. FH is very unlikely in villain range. Villain range is some AK (which you block) AQ, maybe AJs, and some of TT- KK. KcTc is one of best bluffs you can have in this spot. Taking a free card IP is also surely fine, both options are +EV (hard to say which one is higher), but if you check your best bluff candidate probably you dont bluff enough, which is why I would bet in this case.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Originally posted by canad32

3. Turn cbet is not ok. Board is paired and you can be far behind. Fold vs the push.

Turn is ok cbet. FH is very unlikely in villain range. Villain range is some AK (which you block) AQ, maybe AJs, and some of TT- KK. KcTc is one of best bluffs you can have in this spot. Taking a free card IP is also surely fine, both options are +EV (hard to say which one is higher), but if you check your best bluff candidate probably you dont bluff enough, which is why I would bet in this case.

I agree with conclusions and reasons behind it.


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