QQ in middle of 4 bet

What did you mean by saying that we don't need much fold equity? It is clear that we don't have so much FE that we could get autoprofit -> we need some equity too, and it is also clear that we don't have that.

If you shove QQ, and UTG 4bets AK, QQ+, you have around 40% equity vs that range. With bluff hands such as e.g. A5s you would have vs such range around 45% FE (some standard calculation for 5bet bluffs), but with having 40% equity it is obviously less than 45% FE, don't want to calculate now, but it is likely around 25-30% required FE. Well, I see quite often 4bet bluffs from nits, not saying that they are in general super agro, but my point is, they have bluff range (most of them).

Originally posted by YohanN7
Wow. Again.

This picking apart posts (well, trying to) sentence by sentence is not something that belongs outside of academia, and even there it is for freshmen only because they should know how to do it and are therefore taught it. Here, it only makes you come across as a crackpot (not saying you are one) unable to listen to other people. Quoting a post is fine, quoting one sentence is fine too. But not systematic picking apart posts (or rather trying to) sentence by sentence is not. It is too tiresome to respond to.

And no - I am not running out of arguments. The two you just quoted are still valid and need no further elaboration. If you think yours are better, then go with them. Each to his own. In fact, what you will see at the micros is people folding KK 100 bb deep (because they believe people in general don't 4-bet bluff - much less nits). You'l find threads here on the subject. So many will not agree with you.

Ok, this is the last time I answer to your posts. I will ignore you in future.

If we had that 45% equity having 25-30% FE on top of that would make the shove profitable.
The only problem in my opinion is that UTG is in reality super strong and doesn't have bluffs like A5s. He probably has KK+ only and sometimes AKs, which would give us around 25% equity. Also when UTG 4bets agains 2 guys (both should be playing tight against his range) we have probably close to 0 fold equity.

It all comes down to how we estimate their ranges. It is difficult to do it accurately but with my experience and using population tendencies, I would fold here.