1$ 45 man AQo as a 4Bet shove?

You need to use the 45 mans player pay-out structure. Now you use the 9 mans version and that’s different for sure. Especially at the final table and now you are 7th in chips I would fold AQo for sure without looking to any tool.

Cheers,
SDK1987

The range I get from HRC for a call is QQ+ AKs
cheers
Mark

If this is final table you want it on ICM %EV not chip EV when ICM is involved in tournament late stages

Originally posted by SDK1987
You need to use the 45 mans player pay-out structure.

That's true. I am not sure what I had there. However, I was using chipEV anyway since it was not a FT. I guess then it doesn't matter since chipEV = winner takes all?

Originally posted by Mark1790
The range I get from HRC for a call is QQ+ AKs
cheers
Mark

That was my guess in play, thanks! I've decided to push since it was 7bb and I was afraid i wouldn't get a better spot soon. It was apparently wrong.

Originally posted by slippyjim
If this is final table you want it on ICM %EV not chip EV when ICM is involved in tournament late stages

As I wrote above - it wasn't FT so chipEV were set. Thanks for noticing!

Other strange thing is that, when I set some range in %, ICMIZER shows different hands than other programs (I guess I cannot mention the name here). What could be the reason? Holding strengths can different between push/fold and postflop analysis (without taking account of flop texture)?

77 and AJs seem like abit of a stretch but AQo is ez call. Even against KK we are good enough with the added chips.

What these programs dont consider is overall table dynamics. The thing you should consider is whether the 3 people on the left of you are tight enough. If they are mega tight you would have a big enough edge from pushing against them with any2, thus making you not want to put your life on the line here.

if its not final table you can still select 45man & MTT then select random stack for the other players, you do need to know how many people are left in the tourney which I havent found a way to find in HEM, maybe in other software you can

But I think in an MT SnG you should have it on chip EV until the final table then on FT change to ICM %EV

This is a final table spot in a 45 man sng as the chips on the table add up to 67500
which is 45 X 1500 starting stack.

cheers
Mark

Originally posted by Mark1790
This is a final table spot in a 45 man sng as the chips on the table add up to 67500
which is 45 X 1500 starting stack.

cheers
Mark

That's right, apparently I've missed that, sorry. Nice catch! ;-)

Originally posted by slippyjim
if its not final table you can still select 45man & MTT then select random stack for the other players, you do need to know how many people are left in the tourney which I havent found a way to find in HEM, maybe in other software you can
But I think in an MT SnG you should have it on chip EV until the final table then on FT change to ICM %EV

I know about this feature, it's pretty neat. However, as you described there is no way to figure it out after you played. Same kinda goes for payout structures in MTTs when they vary. Since I am marking my hands for later analysis I just mark push / fold hands from FT differently so I know which it is. In other spots I just use chipEV. For the tournament - I didn't have so many deeps YET (I hope), so in case of one I document structure and print-screen FT for the whole tournament review.

Thanks all for replies!

When its not FT and you want to review the hand later, I mark it in HEM and also take a screenshot of the board and the lobby showing no of people left, avg stacks etc so you can plug the details into ICMizer, bit longwinded but the only way Ive found to do it