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TT in multiway 3bet pot

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slippyjim
Joined: 07.10.2011

I was going to shove over the initial raise and caller but when SB raises for half his stack and doesnt shove it surely has to be a monster and I have to fold right?

Seat 1 is the button
SB ( 1557 ) - VPIP: 18, PFR: 13, 3B: 7, AF: 0.6, Hands: 193
MP1 ( 2403 ) - VPIP: 23, PFR: 14, 3B: 3, AF: 1.1, Hands: 155
MP3 ( 1709 ) - VPIP: 12, PFR: 9, 3B: 4, AF: 1.3, Hands: 203

Poker Stars, $3.11 Buy-in (40/80 blinds, 10 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: 1,557 (19.5 bb)
Hero (BB): 3,659 (45.7 bb)
MP1: 2,403 (30 bb)
MP2: 1,596 (20 bb)
MP3: 1,709 (21.4 bb)
CO: 1,552 (19.4 bb)
BTN: 1,024 (12.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T♥: T♠:
MP1 raises to 160, MP2 folds, MP3 calls 160, 2 folds, SB raises to 790, 3 folds

Results:

Spoiler

630 pot
SB mucked and won 630 (460 net)


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slippyjim
Joined: 07.10.2011

just done this in ICMizer, expecting it to be something like KK+ but it says TT is only just a fold, this seems so wrong to me


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Don’t forget that tools don’t calculate sizing tells like this. So I wouldn’t be a surprise if the SB has a too wide 3bet range here. Also the other ranges in ICMizer are all the same. So you need to modify those ranges first.

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SDK1987


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Mooharius
Joined: 10.01.2007

The SBs betsize is a little bit weird, because if he wants to slowplay a monster I would have expected him to raise to something like 450-550. Still with his and the initial raisers stats I would fold here. I also think that -0,01% with TT cannot be correct here, would be interesting to see how the numbers change when you modify the ranges.


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EinsteinFranck
Joined: 30.01.2009

AKo seems to be a clear fold following this chart.

I'm not sure I could fold it there. SB might have 99+ and make it look scarier than a straight shove (he's clearly all-in). So I'd be tempted to re-shove my AK to kick the MPs out of the pot. I might do so with AQs too.

Any opinion?


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

That for sure and we need to calculate the MP+1 opener and MP3 in our decision as well and 99+ 3bet of the SB could be too optimistic here.


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slippyjim
Joined: 07.10.2011

I think SB is really strong here QQ+ maybe AK
But surely AK just shoves for maximum FE

a none allin allin with 99-JJ would be brave here with 3 people still to act unless he is a good player and knows this move looks soooooo strong


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