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THE LONG RUN - Building a bankroll [$1.50 / $3.50 45-man sng's atm] [BR: $289]

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Ka0s
Joined: 05.11.2008

So after running bad I decided to run good. All of a sudden I was winning all all-ins. These 45man are swingier than I thought.
I almost won back what I lost.

And I have my 150 buyins, at least for now.


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Ka0s
Joined: 05.11.2008

Bankroll challenge week 1

This is from Tuesday 29th september 10:00 (when I entered the challenge :f_tongue:) until the end of the week:

SNG's played: 172
Profit: +36.50
Bankroll: $232


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Catonthemat
Joined: 01.08.2016

Looking good. Are you sticking to just 45 mans or mixing other sizes in? And what speed you playing them on?

Good luck for this week.


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Ka0s
Joined: 05.11.2008

Yes, the going down part also contains some 180's and 18mans. The going up part only 45's. I really should stick to the 45man though. But early in the morning they don't fill up quickly. And it was weekend. Excuses excuses.

But now I can play whatever I want with anything above $225 = 150 buyins @ $1.50, not going to play higher than the $3.50's though.

I play the turbos myself. The regular speed is probably a bit easier, also longer postflop play, but they take longer too. But maybe if you're coming from cashgames they are easier than the turbo's since they have more game.

Sng's and cashgames are really different games I think. In an sng it's a disaster if you loose some chips if you don't have enough of them. In a cashgame not so much. Well it's just the stack to blind ratio that makes things different.

But the graph of last week has been from very unlucky to very lucky, nothing in between.


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Ka0s
Joined: 05.11.2008

I saw I didn't post the full graph yet after the downswing ... well not really a swing, anyway:

Have a few bucks to play some $3.50's now .. let's hope I get lucky and can stay at that limit. Less rake, gold @ Pokerstars, yes let's hope.


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Ka0s
Joined: 05.11.2008

Well It's only 1.5 hours later and I'm down to $225 again :f_biggrin::f_biggrin:
Couldn't make a final table. Run bad preflop and couldn't suck out postflop when I had to shove.
Back to the $1.50's it is...


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CassiusKlay
Joined: 11.04.2010

Keep it on, I will join you at the 45man ;)
May I ask u to answer my friend request?
Would enjoy a nice chat to put each other onto a different level.


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Ka0s
Joined: 05.11.2008

There is room for a few more reggies :f_drink: I see a lot of people repeatedly, but they are not always in the game like cashgame regs. Not ,many real regs. It's hard to tell nowadays because a lot of bad players also multitable. Or maybe those are the reggies lol.


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Ka0s
Joined: 05.11.2008

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Ka0s
Joined: 05.11.2008

Didn't play much last few days. I need to play a lot during the weekend to get my target of 180 games/week. Been calculating all sorts of stuff.

Also made 5 standard shove-calling ranges for my opponent's at the micro's:

"Supertight" & "Tight" calling range:

"Average" calling range:

"Loose" & "Superloose" calling range:

(And there's a 6th imaginary range with almost ATC.)
Don't read into the names to much, I had to think of something.

Now if I give myself shoving ranges I can calculate what fold-equity I have. And I can do this for x amount of player's left to act. So I can basically make push-charts from it, which will work if these ranges really represent the real calling ranges of my opponent's. Of course I have to put my opponent on the right calling range.

And then I'll go deeper into it and make seperate charts for different stack sizes and account for the blinds and antes. Only thing I need then is a monkey that can read the charts and push the buttons :f_p:.

The only catch is: I can only pre-calculate it if I put all the opponent's that are sitting behind me on the same range. They cannot have mixed calling ranges since then I cannot calculate my fold-equity beforehand. There would be too many possibilities.

So the charts won't be exact math, but it will give a good starting point from which I can then deviate. I know how the charts work and can adjust them in my head. That is how you should use charts anyway right? Adjust them to the situation on the table.

So yeah, been doing that last few days.


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Ka0s
Joined: 05.11.2008

Maybe you find it interesting to see how often people with the above calling ranges will fold to a shove:
This is fold-percentage, not fold-equity!

And here are the call-ranges again:


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Catonthemat
Joined: 01.08.2016

Might be a daft question, but were do you get the % for how often people would fold? :f_confused:


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Ka0s
Joined: 05.11.2008

Hi Catonthemat,

Don't know what daft means, but probably isn't.

Well if somebody's calling range is 10% of hands, then he folds the other 90% of hands right?

Then for the second person:
If player A folds 90% of his hands and player B also folds 90% of his hands, and they both play 10% of their hands,
then of the 90% that player A folds, player B will still play his hand 10% of those 90%. And he will fold the other 90% of those 90%. So we need to subtract the times that player B still plays his hands when player A folds from the times that player A folds, and then we have the percentage of time both players fold.

So for 2 players you have:
total fold % = player A fold % - (player B range % * player A fold %)
total fold % = 90% - (10% * 90%) = 90 - (0.1 * 90) = 81% total folds

where (player B range % * player A fold %) means: The % of hands player B still plays when player A folds, which is 10% of 90%, or 9 in this case.

Then to make it even more boring, for 3 persons you will have:
(player C also plays 10% of his hands and folds 90%)
total fold % = % of time 2 players fold - (player C range % * % of time 2 players fold)
total fold % = 81 - (10% * 81%) = 81 - (0.1 * 81) = 73%

For 4 players
total fold % = % of time 3 players fold - (player D range % * % of time 3 players fold)

and so on...

But I wrote a little program to do the calculations for me, less chance of mistakes and easier.

Just want to say again this is not fold-equity so don't go and add these % to your pot-equity :f_tongue:.
And I am not responsible for anything lost because you - whoever you are - went and took some numbers from somebody's blog without checking if they are right. :f_tongue:

I hope it's a bit clear, I have no idea :f_smile:

PLZ correct me if I'm wrong. (or confirm if I'm right)


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Catonthemat
Joined: 01.08.2016

Daft = stupid.

And now that you have explained it should have been obvious lol. Interested to see how it works out for you.


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Ka0s
Joined: 05.11.2008

Yes I'm interested too. If I want to know if I'm right I need to play a lot with the charts once they are done so gonna take some time. Probably will try it out at the $0.50's or $1.50's. we'll see. :f_smile:


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Ka0s
Joined: 05.11.2008

Got 69th / 2900+ in the Big $3.30 for the total sum of ... jack shit + some mtt experience again. been a while, I had my account restricted for tournaments.

And ... I played my 1000th SNG. Yes! I still remember the day I played the 500th. It's like that was yesterday. And now my 1000th ... sorry guys, getting a bit emotional now ...

Getting down though, need to fix that!


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Ka0s
Joined: 05.11.2008

These are the pot-equities with which you can shove from all the positions against 5 different calling-ranges and break even, with a 7, 10 and 14 bb stack.
You should have more equity than break-even equity, but this is for breaking even.
The calculations assume:
- All the players behind you have the exact same calling range if you shove
- There is 2 bb dead money (blinds/antes)


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Ka0s
Joined: 05.11.2008

I am constructing my pushing ranges based on the numbers I posted before. This is not a fun task and there is no way I can automate it. No easy way anyway. I need to check which hands have what kind of equity against the 5 standard calling-ranges I made. And I have a looot of ranges. I will have a lot of charts, but I will make a program of some sort with which I can select the right chart for the situation quickly. Hopefully I will get a better sense of hand value from all this equity checking though. Gotta think possitively.

I did not play much poker at all, I will not hit my target for the week. but I decided that I did tons of other work and that it's okay. I'm not going to be hardcore about it, it should be fun too right. Yes fun like making a gazillion charts ... :f_tongue:

But I want to get them done this weekend, so I can start playing with them on monday when my 3rd week of the bankroll challenge starts. Then I can start my big experiment also (playing with my charts).

If the charts will make me beat the micros I will feel very satisfied to say the least! It is all my own work and if I can proof that I can beat all these suckers with just a bit of thinking and brainstorming, how great would that be. And I will proof anyone can do a lot by just using their head and do it. If a simple guy like me can come up with a mathematically sound gameplan that works, you know that rocks. You can do shit people, you just need to do it!

Now I know that the guy reading this blog wants me to fail dramatically :f_biggrin: but I have faith! I think this will actually work.

Not that I cannot beat the micros without making these charts, but I learn a lot and I will feel a lot more confident about my decisions if I know that I am doing the right thing mathematically.
These are all preflop all-in situations which can be described mathematically relatively easy. You can just calculate stuff. Unlike hands where there is postflop play and tons of possibilities.

Will I succeed, will I fail?


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Ka0s
Joined: 05.11.2008

My charts are finally done and I created a little program to navigate between them. So far my little plan is succeeding!


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Ka0s
Joined: 05.11.2008

Bankroll challenge week 2
Monday 03/10 - Sunday 09/10

SNG's played: 116, profit: -$7.51
MTT's played: 6, profit: -$14.55
Total profit: -$22.06
Bankroll: $223.75

Graph of last week's sng's:

All sng's until now:


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