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JJ 3bet pot, cbeting the flop ?

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msnek
Joined: 01.10.2008

115 hands, 28/18, flop fold to cbet overall 38, WTSD 36. Is cbeting here standard and ok ?

IPoker, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Hero (SB): $21.13 (105.7 bb)
BB: $28.38 (141.9 bb)
UTG: $20 (100 bb)
MP: $64.96 (324.8 bb)
CO: $25.91 (129.6 bb)
BTN: $22.51 (112.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J♠: J♦:
2 folds, CO raises to $0.60, BTN folds, Hero raises to $2.20, BB folds, CO calls $1.60

Flop: ($4.60) T♠: T♣: 6♠: (2 players)
Hero bets $2


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Looks ok. Basically you don't have to protect much because villain shouldn't have many draws. But you don't want to see any Q,K or A and villain could call your cbet with weaker hands like AK,AQ,AJ.. I think it is fine.


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010
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msnek
Joined: 01.10.2008

Originally posted by Alleen86
I think it's fine to cbet. Villain shouldn't have many flushdraws, but we have to protect vs overcards.

If villain would have a lot of FDs in his range we wouldn't cbet ? If so why ?


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tiltmonk
Joined: 02.07.2014

To me - it is pretty standard CB vs that guy.
If villain would have a lot of FD in his range - it is always CB - we need to extract value from weaker hands which has equity vs us.
Note, this guys like to go to showdown, your goal is extract value from weaker hands.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Originally posted by msnek

Originally posted by Alleen86
I think it's fine to cbet. Villain shouldn't have many flushdraws, but we have to protect vs overcards.

If villain would have a lot of FDs in his range we wouldn't cbet ? If so why ?

Nonono. The fact that villain doesn't have many flush draws only means that we don't need that much protection = checking would be ok. But betting is fine also because he has overcards and we have to protect vs those.


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msnek
Joined: 01.10.2008

Thanks ! I agree !


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fishbets8888
Joined: 27.07.2012

If you are gonna put your opponent on a 10 here all the time, i suggest quit poker is the easiest thing you can do. Due to simple math its much worst if for example a Q roles up on the flop , couse its just 1 .. its 3 left in the deck instead of 2. Id say if u get action on a flop like this your probably more times out of 10 then facing trips, up against another pair.. 22 33 44 55 etc... i mean i think its wrong to fold any kind of pair if if u continue betting, have that in mind and poker gets much more easier ☺I try to focus on the turn card and figure out his expected counter fitted odds to higher 2 pair, or really think thruw history with the guy ur up vs, couse ppl tend to have same kinds of reactions when flopping trips at these stakes ( like bet very fast, or slow, or higher ammount then usuall, of lower.. ) you actually manage to get good reads from just observing opponent


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msnek
Joined: 01.10.2008

Dude, nobody put villain on Tx here ;) But thanks for answer anyway ;D


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

Originally posted by msnek

Originally posted by Alleen86
I think it's fine to cbet. Villain shouldn't have many flushdraws, but we have to protect vs overcards.

If villain would have a lot of FDs in his range we wouldn't cbet ? If so why ?

No no. I ment that we don't need protection vs flushdraws as much as we need protection vs overcards because he will have alot more overcards than flushdraws. But we need to protect vs both.


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fishbets8888
Joined: 27.07.2012

Is that why so many people check call you down with AA/KK on those boards? Because they dont put you no 10x ?


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Just check calling strong hands is usually not a good move but might work against aggressive opponents. On very dry flops you can do this but otherwise you should protect.
I would usually just bet bet bet those hands.


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Mozzek
Joined: 16.07.2016

Standard cbet, we need to protect against FD and we are most likely ahead, so we need to get money in the pot.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

This is a clear bet. To compare, Holding A♥:A♣: on a T♠:T♥:5♦: board would be much different. Then a check would be conceivable, especially IP versus aggros.


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