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[Closed] [NL100 & NL50] I'm fish with the queens

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MarsellusW
Joined: 02.09.2007

Yes, i loose too much money with QQ, especially on boards J-high or less.
I attach some of my QQ hands, so you can suggest me how to fix this.
They concern different situation, i.e. against shortstack or bigstack, ecc...

Most of them are poorly played, and some are even tilted...

1)
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

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UTG ($50)
Hero (MP1) ($51.50)
MP2 ($17.75)
MP3 ($73.25)
CO ($49.50)
Button ($56.90)
SB ($50)
BB ($9.30)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q, Q
1 fold, Hero bets $2, 4 folds, SB raises to $6.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $4.50

Flop: ($13.50) 8, J, 10 (2 players)
SB bets $8.50, Hero calls $8.50

Turn: ($30.50) 4 (2 players)
SB bets $16, Hero raises to $36.50 (All-In), SB calls $19 (All-In)

River: ($100.50) 10 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $100.50 | Rake: $3

Results:
SB had K, K (two pair, Kings and tens).
Hero had Q, Q (two pair, Queens and tens).
Outcome: SB won $97.50

2)
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MP2 ($30.90)
MP3 ($18.40)
CO ($6.60)
Button ($50)
SB ($78.80)
Hero (BB) ($50)
UTG ($41.05)
UTG+1 ($73.30)
MP1 ($30.15)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, Q
3 folds, MP2 bets $1.75, 4 folds, Hero raises to $5.50, MP2 calls $3.75

Flop: ($11.25) 3, 5, 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $5, Hero raises to $15, MP2 raises to $25.40 (All-In), Hero calls $10.40

Turn: ($62.05) 6 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($62.05) 8 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $62.05 | Rake: $3

Results:
Hero had Q, Q (two pair, Queens and sixes).
MP2 had K, K (two pair, Kings and sixes).
Outcome: MP2 won $59.05

3)
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

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Button ($8.75)
SB ($53.20)
BB ($18.60)
UTG ($30.15)
UTG+1 ($52.25)
MP1 ($7.50)
Hero (MP2) ($50)
MP3 ($20.65)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q, Q
3 folds, Hero bets $2, 1 fold, Button raises to $8.75 (All-In), 2 folds, Hero calls $6.75

Flop: ($18.25) 9, J, J (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($18.25) 7 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($18.25) J (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $18.25 | Rake: $0.90

Results:
Button had A, A (full house, Jacks over Aces).
Hero had Q, Q (full house, Jacks over Queens).
Outcome: Button won $17.35

4)
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

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UTG ($23.05)
UTG+1 ($31)
MP1 ($58)
MP2 ($47.30)
CO ($49.25)
Button ($9.50)
SB ($9.60)
Hero (BB) ($52.60)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, Q
Hero bets $2, 6 folds, SB calls $1.50

Flop: ($4.25) 8, 2, J (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3, SB calls $3

Turn: ($10.25) 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $5, SB calls $4.60 (All-In)

River: ($19.45) 7 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $19.45 | Rake: $0.95

Results:
SB had 2, 2 (three of a kind, twos).
Hero had Q, Q (one pair, Queens).
Outcome: SB won $18.50


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MarsellusW
Joined: 02.09.2007

5)
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

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MP1 ($113.35)
Hero (MP2) ($106.40)
MP3 ($45.90)
CO ($121.95)
Button ($104.25)
SB ($100)
BB ($107.50)
UTG ($14.95)
UTG+1 ($100)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q, Q
UTG calls $1, 2 folds, Hero bets $4.50, MP3 calls $4.50, CO calls $4.50, Button calls $4.50, 2 folds, UTG calls $3.50

Flop: ($24) 3, 5, 7 (5 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, MP3 checks, CO checks, Button checks

Turn: ($24) K (5 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, MP3 checks, CO checks, Button checks

River: ($24) 4 (5 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, MP3 checks, CO bets $24, 2 folds, Hero calls $24, 1 fold

Total pot: $72 | Rake: $3

Results:
Hero had Q, Q (one pair, Queens).
CO had 6, 6 (straight, seven high).
Outcome: CO won $69

6)
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Button ($100)
SB ($117.90)
BB ($107.10)
UTG ($101.50)
UTG+1 ($200.60)
MP1 ($87.05)
Hero (MP2) ($149.50)
MP3 ($100)
CO ($146)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q, Q
2 folds, MP1 calls $1, Hero bets $5, 1 fold, CO calls $5, 2 folds, BB calls $4, 1 fold

Flop: ($16.50) 5, 10, 6 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $12, CO calls $12, 1 fold

Turn: ($40.50) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $25, CO raises to $76, Hero raises to $132.50 (All-In), CO calls $53 (All-In)

River: ($298.50) 2 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $298.50 | Rake: $3

Results:
Hero had Q, Q (one pair, Queens).
CO had 6, 4 (two pair, sixes and fours).
Outcome: CO won $295.50

7)
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BB ($103.85)
UTG ($130.80)
UTG+1 ($99.50)
MP1 ($200)
MP2 ($150.20)
CO ($98.50)
Hero (Button) ($105.45)
SB ($112.65)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, Q
BB calls $1, 4 folds, CO bets $2, Hero raises to $6, 2 folds, CO calls $4

Flop: ($14) 4, 8, A (2 players)
CO bets $8, Hero calls $8

Turn: ($30) K (2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks

River: ($30) 7 (2 players)
CO bets $30, Hero folds

Total pot: $30 | Rake: $1.50

Results:
CO didn't show
Outcome: CO won $28.50

8)
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Hero (UTG) ($50)
UTG+1 ($131.45)
MP1 ($41.20)
MP2 ($22.70)
CO ($21.40)
Button ($24.25)
SB ($23.80)
BB ($212.35)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q, Q
Hero bets $1.75, 6 folds, BB calls $1.25

Flop: ($3.75) 10, 9, 4 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2.50, BB calls $2.50

Turn: ($8.75) 9 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $5.50, BB calls $5.50

River: ($19.75) 5 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $5, BB raises to $18.50, Hero calls $13.50

Total pot: $56.75 | Rake: $2.80

Results:
BB had 9, A (three of a kind, nines).
Hero had Q, Q (two pair, Queens and nines).
Outcome: BB won $53.95


MarsellusW
Joined: 02.09.2007

9)
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MP1 ($36.45)
MP2 ($9.50)
MP3 ($10)
CO ($53.85)
Button ($11.50)
SB ($50.85)
BB ($42.40)
UTG ($50)
Hero (UTG+1) ($50)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q, Q
1 fold, Hero bets $1.75, 2 folds, MP3 raises to $10 (All-In), 4 folds, Hero calls $8.25

Flop: ($20.75) 2, 9, 4 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($20.75) 7 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($20.75) K (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $20.75 | Rake: $1

Results:
Hero had Q, Q (one pair, Queens).
MP3 had A, A (one pair, Aces).
Outcome: MP3 won $19.75

10)
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

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UTG ($37.75)
UTG+1 ($46.40)
MP1 ($9.25)
MP2 ($41.90)
MP3 ($12.25)
CO ($50.10)
Button ($21.80)
SB ($49.50)
Hero (BB) ($50)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, Q
3 folds, MP2 calls $0.50, 2 folds, Button calls $0.50, SB calls $0.25, Hero bets $3, 1 fold, Button raises to $7.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $50 (All-In), Button calls $14.30 (All-In)

Flop: ($44.60) 2, 7, J (2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: ($44.60) 6 (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($44.60) 10 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $44.60 | Rake: $2.20

Results:
Button had A, A (one pair, Aces).
Hero had Q, Q (one pair, Queens).
Outcome: Button won $42.40

11)
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UTG ($23.40)
MP1 ($51.85)
MP2 ($64.15)
MP3 ($28.40)
CO ($9.25)
Button ($52.60)
Hero (SB) ($50)
BB ($24.95)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, Q
1 fold, MP1 bets $1.75, 1 fold, MP3 raises to $3, 2 folds, Hero raises to $10, 1 fold, MP1 calls $8.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($23.50) J, 3, 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $15, MP1 raises to $41.85 (All-In), Hero calls $25 (All-In)

Turn: ($103.50) 7 (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($103.50) 2 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $103.50 | Rake: $3

Results:
Hero had Q, Q (one pair, Queens).
MP1 had K, K (one pair, Kings).
Outcome: MP1 won $100.50


Hi,

I advice you not to post results, and look at winning hands as well when evaluating, otherwise hands that are played well could give you some doubts, as you see yourself lose so often.

Hands:

1. I would probably raise flop and get it in vs a push. The thing is, your preflop call isn't that strong, so he might still stack off with worse hands (AJ, AT, i dunno).
2. I raise a lil bit bigger, to say 17 or so, which makes you so committed, that a push ik prob better
3. nh
4. nh
5. bet flop, push turn
6. nh
7. raise/fold flop. Unless he's passive, then prob a fold is ok.
8. push river yourself.
9. nh
10. nh
11. nh

Overall, I think you're playing pretty well. Keep working on your game, and evaluate both winners and losers. GL


MarsellusW
Joined: 02.09.2007

thank you for your suggestions

btw, this evening for three times in a row (and two at the same table!) i had QQ vs KK, QQ vs AA and again QQ vs AA.... it's a curse


TribunCaesar
Joined: 29.04.2007

Please don't post more then 1 hand in one thread or 2 at maximum. If you want a general disciussion on how to play QQ post it in the NL strategy discussion forum.

Best regards,
TribunCaesar