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Dont you think there is some more value on the flop against overpairs, broadways with FD? I mean the flop cbet size. Looks very very small for me

It is a 3bet pot so I guess standard would be 1/2 or something. I'm not sure if there is more value and how much. And maybe villain calls turn lighter when flop bet was small. Or maybe he would fold some gut shots vs bigger bet.

Yes probably 1/2 would be better. I can imagine JJ-88, 77 I dont know for sure but I've seen it not only one times, AK, AQs, AJs, KQs, probably KJs, QJs. Against these pairs, and against strong FDs I think 1/2 is totally reasonable.

On the river I guess the bet size worked out in a way since he had KJ, if you had checked he would probably have made it at least half pot. The problem is if he had air he could raise you since it is really inducing to face a 1/3 pot bet on the river and I don't think you want to call a raise there.

flop is definitely a larger bet.
you say "he might fold some overcards and some pockets (maybe)" but non-Ax non-FD overcards always fold (nothing good ever happens to him), and pocket pairs never fold to one bet. also, his lone Ax have more than direct odds to call.
do you also not want to stack JJ- by going AI on most rivers? your reasoning for these small bets is very weak.

as played river is good, since you are not close to commited (but it would be more +EV overall if you were). you might be perceived to have all AK+ in your range as well so it's not a good bluffing spot for him, while on the other hand he can perceive missed fd/Ax and still talk himself into cry calling random pocket pairs

I don't mind that river bet, worse hands of high likeliness to go through the showdown are 99 TT JJ AKs

I bet 1/2 of the pot OTF, but honestly I don´t see problem in 1/3 either. As played I bet bigger OTT, let´s make it 2/3 of the pot. And check the river.

If you are checking that river are you then calling?
Imo check folding might be a bit weak since villain shouldn't have many better hands. Only Kx he might/should have is Kx with FD and since this is 3bet pot and I block KsQs there are not many combos. Draws miss so he can bluff a lot and I'm not sure I feel comfortable check calling a big bet. Also if we check we might lose value vs hands like JJ,TT.

I agree with most that is said about "value" here, and I don't "fault" any play. But that "value" is never actually there IRL when OOP. Sizing this way makes life difficult. Making worse hands fold occasionally is not a blunder. So, I'd say think less in terms of equity when OOP. (In fact, equity as given by Equilab can be pretty useless. Villain has all the "momentum" when it comes to money yet to enter the pot.)

I like very much your advices and I respect them(I hate this popular word but perhaps now it makes sense ) because they are quite uniqe, but please interpret it for dummies like me ♦

The best illustration is when you are out of position against a good opponent, and you have very deep stacks. The best play may sometimes even be to check and fold what you honestly think is the best hand. You know that villain will call a lot with worse. But this is not the problem. The problem is that more money is to go in and all :Ax:, all :2x:, all :6x:, all :spade:, on the river are going to make you utterly uncomfortable. Villain knows this. You know that villain knows this. Etc. But there is surprisingly little you can do about it. Sure, you can check-call more, you can bet-fold more, you can check-fold more, but this is not easy against an unpredictable opponent because in each case it costs a lot when the final decision is "the wrong one". The opponent can make a somewhat better informed decision (because he'll know what you did). The upside is that when you have position, then you are in charge. So sometimes making a suboptimal play on an early street can save you money. Both terms "protection" and "extracting value" are downright silly when deep OOP with marginal hands against all but the worst opponents. The "value bets" can escalate the pot to a size worth stealing. "Protecting" a 60% equity in a small pot backing it up with your stack isn't good thinking. I

I think I would fold most of the times, maybe call bets smaller than / of the pot. The reason is, I don´t think, OTR is betting anything what we beat.

Originally posted by YohanN7
The best illustration is when you are out of position against a good opponent, and you have very deep stacks. The best play may sometimes even be to check and fold what you honestly think is the best hand. You know that villain will call a lot with worse. But this is not the problem. The problem is that more money is to go in and all :Ax:, all :2x:, all :6x:, all :spade:, on the river are going to make you utterly uncomfortable. Villain knows this. You know that villain knows this. Etc. But there is surprisingly little you can do about it. Sure, you can check-call more, you can bet-fold more, you can check-fold more, but this is not easy against an unpredictable opponent because in each case it costs a lot when the final decision is "the wrong one". The opponent can make a somewhat better informed decision (because he'll know what you did). The upside is that when you have position, then you are in charge. So sometimes making a suboptimal play on an early street can save you money. Both terms "protection" and "extracting value" are downright silly when deep OOP with marginal hands against all but the worst opponents. The "value bets" can escalate the pot to a size worth stealing. "Protecting" a 60% equity in a small pot backing it up with your stack isn't good thinking. I

Thank you very much, I understand your rephraseing!

Note:
I think you definitely have to write something book-like because It seems you are sitting with enormously deep stacks in the poker-knowloedge table!
1 vote from me.

- the wet flop ever and you bet 1/3 ? Really? Any AX would call, bet 1/2- 2/3 at least.
All his sets would def-ly raise flop or turn on the wet board, so he most probably do now have set in his calling range.
River is ugly - all his AK hands now beat you, KsJs - KsTs also beats you. Could he have 88-JJ ? Probably could bcs of your flop bet size.
Anyway, I guess the hand was played pretty well except flop sizing.
Regarding the river - it was not obvious for me, but equilab tells you had a value bet OTR.

WP.

it's not a value bet if he doesn't call >50%