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BelligerentBird
BelligerentBird
Joined: 08.08.2016
Posts: 85
21.11.2016, 17:32

PokerStars - $0.05 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 20.45, PFR: 14.77, 3Bet Preflop: 3.33, Hands: 356)
BB: 135.2 BB (VPIP: 19.92, PFR: 11.38, 3Bet Preflop: 5.21, Hands: 250)
UTG: 86.6 BB (VPIP: 22.32, PFR: 15.45, 3Bet Preflop: 9.20, Hands: 233)
Hero (UTG+1): 199.8 BB
MP: 77.4 BB (VPIP: 21.78, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 4.60, Hands: 225)
MP+1: 80.2 BB (VPIP: 33.75, PFR: 13.75, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 83)
CO: 105.2 BB (VPIP: 17.40, PFR: 11.81, 3Bet Preflop: 3.89, Hands: 4,001)
BTN: 106.4 BB (VPIP: 15.07, PFR: 10.96, 3Bet Preflop: 9.68, Hands: 74)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 6♥ 6♣

fold, Hero calls 1 BB, fold, MP+1 calls 1 BB, fold, fold, fold, BB checks

Flop: (3.4 BB, 3 players) 8♥ T♦ 6♦
BB checks, Hero bets 3.2 BB, MP+1 calls 3.2 BB, BB raises to 10 BB, Hero raises to 30 BB, MP+1 raises to 79.2 BB and is all-in, BB raises to 134.2 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 104.2 BB

Turn: (351 BB, 3 players) Q♠

River: (351 BB, 3 players) 4♠

Hi guys! I have already posted similar hand with top set and everybody told me that we should never fold a top set in such spots. What about the bottom set?


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nitrol
nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010
Posts: 11,244
21.11.2016, 18:49

I have a rule: Never play for all your money in a limped pot without the nuts. :)
I do not get the limp idea.


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BelligerentBird
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21.11.2016, 19:53

Originally posted by nitrol
I have a rule: Never play for all your money in a limped pot without the nuts. :)
I do not get the limp idea.

And what about 3bb raised pot? Would you go broke in the spot like this?


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la55i
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Joined: 27.01.2013
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21.11.2016, 19:56

Originally posted by BelligerentBird

Originally posted by nitrol
I have a rule: Never play for all your money in a limped pot without the nuts. :)
I do not get the limp idea.

And what about 3bb raised pot? Would you go broke in the spot like this?

Tough spots but villains can have some 2 pair hands or draws or maybe sometimes even overpairs. If they magically have a straight you still have nice equity. I think it depends very much on villains what you should do in that spot but I think going broke wouldn't be the most terrible thing you can do :)


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Mozzek
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Joined: 16.07.2016
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21.11.2016, 20:40

I´d just call to villain´s raise OTF. As played I fold to 4 bet. In villain´s range are more straights and sets than overpairs. Two pairs are possible too, but I wouldn´t take the risk.


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nitrol
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Joined: 24.07.2010
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22.11.2016, 08:29

Originally posted by BelligerentBird

Originally posted by nitrol
I have a rule: Never play for all your money in a limped pot without the nuts. :)
I do not get the limp idea.

And what about 3bb raised pot? Would you go broke in the spot like this?

When it is 3bb raised pot we can call.
Note that you are mw.


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MyFloXyBabY
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Joined: 15.02.2010
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22.11.2016, 11:32

Never limp preflop first in (and nearly never overlimp after other limpers but you can find spots for that eventually).

As played it's quite clear one of them has a straight or a set. Yeah I know, life sucks. Moreover when you open limp :P


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