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888 1$ 9-man 10/20 A9s iso-raise against a whole bunch of donkeys and flopped flush draw

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BrunoFaiduttiFan
Joined: 01.12.2016

A lot of donkeys have shown interest in seeing the flop, so a smallball approach and limping behind would be an option too I guess. However I make a big raise here hoping to come 2- oder 3-handed to the flop.

Is iso-raising even the right expression here or does it only apply if not more than one donkey has limped before my raise?

Do you prefer limp or raise preflop?

In their nastiness, none of the inital limping donkeys wants to give up on their hands any time soon so we see the flop 4-handed. With the nut-flush-draw facing a 1/3 pot bet on the flop and a 1/4 pot bet on the turn plus probably quite decent implied odds, how could I ever fold here?

Was my biggest mistake to build a big pot preflop against such a huge pack of donkeys after all?

It just feels really unsatisfying since yet again a donkey took a huge amount of my precious chips right at the early phase.

888 No-Limit Hold'em Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (9 Spieler) - 888 Converter Tool from http://de.flopturnriver.com/

UTG+1 (t1,500)
MP1 (t1,500)
MP2 (t1,480)
MP3 (t1,770)
CO (t1,250)
Hero (Button) (t1,510)
SB (t1,510)
BB (t1,480)
UTG (t1,500)

Hero's M: 50.33

Preflop: Hero ist Button mit 9, A
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t20, MP1 calls t20, MP2 calls t20, MP3 calls t20, 1 fold, Hero raises t140, 3 folds, MP1 calls t120, MP2 calls t120, MP3 calls t120

Flop: (t610) 4, Q, 2 (4 Spieler)
MP1 checks, MP2 bets t205, 1 fold, Hero calls t205, MP1 calls t205

Turn: (t1,225) 4 (3 Spieler)
MP1 checks, MP2 bets t300, Hero calls t300, MP1 calls t300

River: (t2,125) J (3 Spieler)
MP1 checks, MP2 bets t260, Hero folds, 1 fold

Gesamt Pot: t2,125

Ergebnisse :

Spoiler

MP2 zeigt nicht


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Mallett
Joined: 21.12.2016

I wouldn't have raised after that many have limped in before you, the chance anyone of them has a monster or a pair is too big to risk it at this early stage in a SnG. Other than that, I think you played it alright. Bad luck you didn't hit the flush in the end. With MP2's value bets, I'd guess he either hit a set or had an overpair KK or AA.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Pre-flop raising against so many players isn’t too bad I think, but it’s difficult to get them to fold most likely or you need to raise to 200 or more or so to get it not multi way. I would most likely limp here.

As played I would most likely go broke on the flop, but that’s tricky for sure and your line is fine as well with only a draw multi way.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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angalius
Joined: 10.11.2011

I dont aggree about going broke on the flop, since its too early in the tournament to play big pots, if you dont have a monster ofcourse. In this hand your best case scenario is that youre up against lower flush draw. I would probably fold on the turn since I have put in a lot of chips already, and one of them obviously has a Q


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mortal1ty
Joined: 11.03.2009

Raising is pretty big mistake, let me tell you why:
1. Its early game you playing 75bb deep so your plan is always play small ball which your action pre goes against.
2. You hold A9s with these type of hands your plan is to to get to post flop as cheap as possible to hit sets 2pair and nut flushes, early game.
3. You play 1$ tournament no one will respect your raise, and you all play 75bb deep so no matter what fish holds he calls.

as played.
Flop call is 50/50 you can call or fold ,for the first point mentioned
Turn call is very bad as your equity %to win drastically drooped and calling here is just gambling. Some like to call it shopping.


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Okkernootje
Joined: 02.09.2013

Both call and raise pre are fine imo; and all of the reasons for both are in the threads above.
We have position, can surely outplay (outflop) our opponnents (can you?). But if we raise, we will have to raise bigger for sure. Ideal we would like to be heads-up for a big pot or play multiway cheaply with our nutdrawing hand.

Flop call is std. Turn is 100% fold.


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