KK OOP MW 3b pot flop play

Yea checking should be fine imo.

As both players, (BB and MP) call their ranges are capped, they cannot have AA which beats you, QQ is possible but it usually reraises pre, especially with dead money, but could just call when you re-raise. There are only 3 combos of QQ. I think betting allow you to get value from Qx or flush draws. Checking gives them villains a free card and in a multi-way pot things can get ugly when you don't want to fold on later streets. Checking on the flop may give you more action on later streets but I don't see how giving villains a free card on the flop,especially when Qx will call at least one street is optimal. Kh may give you some card removal to factor in but checking in a multiway pot when you most likely have the best hand results in lost value from what I understand. I think it is better to win a smaller pot than to lose a bigger one.

Both have AQ,KQ and lower pairs than ours. We should bet here.

Bet around 1/2pot...

Originally posted by nitrol
Both have AQ,KQ and lower pairs than ours. We should bet here.

i thought same way and i bet slightly more then 1/2 PSB, i was curious why that silly snowie suggested this as a major error saying ev of x > then betting. I wanted to understand if checking could be actually more optimal here, i also understand that difference in ev might not be so big.

Originally posted by antLrace

Originally posted by nitrol
Both have AQ,KQ and lower pairs than ours. We should bet here.

i thought same way and i bet slightly more then 1/2 PSB, i was curious why that silly snowie suggested this as a major error saying ev of x > then betting. I wanted to understand if checking could be actually more optimal here, i also understand that difference in ev might not be so big.

What is snowies 3b range here? Unless you get to the flop with the same range your play should not necessarily be what snowie suggests.

Yes, Snowie can have different ranges here.

Yea this depends on villains 3bet calling range.
Here I maybe wouldn't be too worried that villain outdraws us with his weaker hands, and he has some sets in his range. And since you are OOP I think we might get more value out of him by checking the flop.

We are mw and if we do not bet with overpair then what do we bet....
No point in checking.

Betting is better than checking here I think. None of them is fullstacked so you proly play vs 2 fish. Bet + ship T.

Hi,

We have to protect our hand. So we need to bet her against the 2 villians to give them no free cards. If the short stack will raise our bet, we can call here. I see in his range much Qx combos and Draws.

I think best play is to bet that flop, but it has not to be too big 35% of the pot would be fine. If we get heads up OTT we can increase the sizing, and even shove if we are against the mid stacker.

Originally posted by JCSeerup

What is snowies 3b range here? Unless you get to the flop with the same range your play should not necessarily be what snowie suggests.

good point, i thought for some reason snowie would advice action on flop based on my 3b ranges

Originally posted by nitrol
We are mw and if we do not bet with overpair then what do we bet....
No point in checking.

true,i guess snowie would check most of his range there then??? im confused