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[Closed] 11$ TT on the bubble

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Maarten84
Joined: 22.02.2008

No reads, looked solid.

No Limit Holdem Tournament
$10 $1 Sit & Go
4 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG Hero (3535)
CO KIClark (1450)
BTN bormopit (5460)
BB ManilaFish (3055)

Blinds: 60/120

Pre-flop: (120, 4 players) Hero is UTG T♣ T♠
Hero raises to 300, 2 folds, ManilaFish calls 180

Flop: 7♣ J♦ J♥ (600, 2 players)
ManilaFish bets 240, Hero raises to 600, ManilaFish calls 360

Turn: Q♠ (1,800, 2 players)
ManilaFish checks, Hero checks

River: 6♠ (1,800, 2 players)
ManilaFish bets 840, Hero folds

Final Pot: 1,800

ManilaFish wins 2,640 ( won 900 )
Hero lost -900

edit: or I fold or I raise bigger or I push, now I played it like a donk...


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viewer88
Joined: 19.04.2008

Why not coldcall flop? It's starting to look like a way ahead/way behind situation on this flop (and there's a big chance he has a worse pocket pair).

re-raising does let you find out "where you are" in this hand, so after he called that re-raise I'm done with this hand.

So I would coldcall flop, potcontrol turn (call/check behind/fold when he bets big) and re-evaluate river.

As played turn and river look good.


Maarten84
Joined: 22.02.2008

I don't really like the coldcall, you would have to fold to a turnbet then... Imo, best line here is to push the flop. If he has a J, so be it, QQ+ is not in his range imo.


viewer88
Joined: 19.04.2008

QQ+ isn't really in his range here, but that's just another reason to call on flop ^^

Allow him to bet turn with a worse hand then yours, board isn't drawy anyway.

edit: you're too deep to shove on flop aswell imo, shoving means:

- winning a small-decent pot (he folds)

OR

- bubbling out (he calls => has you crushed)

Risk/reward is terrible ^^


Maarten84
Joined: 22.02.2008

If you just call on the flop you can't call on the turn and river imo, way too expensive and you let him draw to a better hand cheap. Why shove? Since a normal raise (mine was way too smal) commits you to the pot imo.

Btw, this was not my original thought process :), discussed it with a semipro last night. He said, just play it like you would play it with QQ+.


viewer88
Joined: 19.04.2008

board is dry, not really afraid of overcard draws since you're IP and can still potcontrol on turn. If he makes a big bet on turn I'm just giving up, no need to get in a marginal spot at this stage. The bubble makes the risk/reward alot worse.

BTW: play it like you play QQ = going broke with it?


chenny8888
Joined: 03.10.2007

Hi all,

Originally posted by viewer88
Why not coldcall flop? It's starting to look like a way ahead/way behind situation on this flop (and there's a big chance he has a worse pocket pair).

re-raising does let you find out "where you are" in this hand, so after he called that re-raise I'm done with this hand.

So I would coldcall flop, potcontrol turn (call/check behind/fold when he bets big) and re-evaluate river.

As played turn and river look good.

This. Except we can also find out where we are in the hand by calling and seeing what villain does on the turn.

As played when someone bet/calls your raise on the bubble I think he pretty much always has you resolutely crushed. So I fold.

FYI how I play QQ+ here: call flop, reevaluate turn :).