This Academy really helps people crush SnGs... I've just noticed that its former regular student, Edigatorius, is grinding a mix of $25-50 6-man and $25 18-man hyper super-KOs already (the highest stakes on offer)
The last coaching session was amazing. I couldn't make it live, but I've just checked it out and must say that Ryan's analysis just blew me away. This must be one of those videos that if shown to somebody thinking for some reason that poker might be a game of no skill, MUST convince them otherwise. If not they are hopeless.
I was blown away by his analyisis as well. This takes years and years of hard work and practice, practice and practice and even more practice and study. Such analyses are the most interesting part of poker.
Is it gonna be stored as recorded on the site or maybe twitch , where those of us who couldn't make it to watch it?
It's not going to be stored on Twitch, but it's hopefully going to be uploaded into Pokerstrategy's video section, possibly restricted to users with the Gold or higher status, like it usually happens to those of Collin's coachings that are dedicated to $15+ tourneys
Thanks guys! Really glad for Egidatorius, he's a very hard-working player. And 100% agree on Protential, he explains his high-level thought process incredibly well. I learned a lot from him too.
This week on the coaching will be the first in a month or two without a guest
We're going to go through a deep run in a hyper.
..the moment when you're a Pokerstrategy user for quite some time, having read Moshman's book a gazillion times plus 1, then you find this thread out of sheer luck
Haha thanks vlzvl, glad you found the thread!
This week on the coaching ... coaching regular Boomai1 has been crushing $3 18man, but having mixed results so far moving up to 7/15. Our job: Look at his games and find out why
It will be interesting to see the multitable mode of HRC (or ICMIZER 2) in action!
I think this is a very good idea because not only hero but also we all can learn a lot like this. Looking forward to it!
Speaking of the MTT mode, I've made an experiment to find out how hard the chipleader (or the 2nd in chips when the leader is at the other table) can bully the shortstacks when 10-12 players are left, in particular, how big (6K chips? 8K? 10K?) the player's stack typically has to be in order to start pwning, considering that some of the opponents might still ignoring the bubble effect and be playing in the chip EV mode.
Well, if all the opponents play in the chip EV mode, then, quite obviously, the leader's 'best response' openshoving range under the ICM should be even tighter than the chip EV Nash one because of the risk aversion. However, I didn't know how much tighter it should be, and the results of the experiment (hidden into the spoiler) have shocked me.
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Here are the Nash ranges in the cEV mode:


Here are the ones in the ICM mode (note that the openshoving ranges are not much wider than in the cEV mode, while the calling and overcalling ones are much tighter):



Finally, I've copypasted the opponents' cEV mode ranges and seen what UTG's optimal openshoving range vs them looks like:

It's merely 10% as opposed to the Nash 27%
That's how much the opponents' ICM unawareness changes the leader's best response strategy
Thanks for the reserach Tony, that's really cool. No question that even if you have a big CL on the bubble, opponents who play cEV instead of ICM will cause you to tighten tremendously. Great job quantifying that effect.
This week on the coaching ... Honigmund38! He'll play live while we talk about his unexploitable style of poker, his chop last week in the Monday $109 6max, and how it's possible that every German seems to speak such good English ♦
Originally posted by CollinMoshman
No question that even if you have a big CL on the bubble, opponents who play cEV instead of ICM will cause you to tighten tremendously.
The reason why I did that research is the stark contrast between the optimal strategies in non-KO 18-mans and in KO 24-mans in such spots. In the latter, the potential loss of the ICM EV for the chip leader is significantly less than the potential gain of the bounty (because the chips in the leader's stack aren't worth as much as those in a short stack, relatively to the constant bounty amount) so the leader can afford to give some chips away in an attempt to earn bounties, as long as only a small fraction of his stack is threatened, hence the leader typically has to openshove / 3bet / 4bet ATC or close to it at the semifinal table, almost regardless of what ranges the opponents stack off with (as long as they're reasonably wide, as in 10%+).
That's why I've made a decision not to play non-KO 18-mans despite the apparent similarity of the final table payout structures with the 24-mans. I'd be bored to death if I did
Oooh, thank you, Collin! Very cool, looking forward to see Honigmund38, GO Honigmund!!
Originally posted by CollinMoshman
This week on the coaching ... Honigmund38! He'll play live while we talk about his unexploitable style of poker, his chop last week in the Monday $109 6max
Congrats to him!
That said, the fact that he feels compelled to play unexploitably in MTTs (as opposed to the exploitation of population tendencies), which I thought are still the softest (but mentally toughest) poker format in existence, makes me depressed about the general state of online poker.
Originally posted by CollinMoshman
and how it's possible that every German seems to speak such good English ♦
English is a Germanic language, enough said.
Don't worry Tony, everyone feels inadequate hearing Honigmund's thought process ♦
And nice point Primrose, from my experience I can't argue with that!
So I made a mistake in my last post, I actually booked Honigmund for next week (April 12) so he will be on then for live play. Sorry about that. Instead though we have something fun ... tomorrow we're going to look at the FT of the $10M gtd Sunday Million with hole cards revealed. See you guys then!
I've just started watching the recording of your previous show with his MTT live play.
In the first 30 minutes (that's how much I've watched so far), you two talked a lot about the differences between 4-max, 6-max and 9-max but, surprisingly, you weren't discussing the most obvious difference between the tables on the screen - the difference between PKOs and non-KOs. Sorry, that's my pet peeve, as I think that the usage of a 'standard' strategy for non-KO MTTs in PKOs is a blasphemy ![]()
That's not a qualified opinion as I don't have enough patience to play non-hyper KOs, and even at hyper SNG ones, I lack a sufficient sample yet, but still, I disagree with a lot of honigmund38's plays in PKOs even though his OPR stats and thought process convince that he's a strong MTT reg in general.
Besides, I question the profitability of his late registration in a PKO (the $16.50 one) - there was a forum discussion of this topic about a month ago where I gave a detailed opinion.
I'll post my thoughts on some of honigmund38's particular PKO hands from the coaching in question soon as I go through the video.
@7:58 bottom left 7♠:6♣: | table screenshot at the decision point:
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This would be a decent fold in a non-KO MTT because SB is the worst postflop position but I'd still flat in a PKO despite the fact that the opening range of the shortstack in the lojack is tighter than it would be in a non-KO.
The reasons are that Hero is covering BB by 194 chips so Hero is eligible for 2 bounties in the potentially 4-way pot, and that BB isn't going to squeeze-shove nearly as wide as he would in a non-KO because 2 of his 3 opponents incl. Hero would be eligible for BB's bounty here.
It's somewhat bad that Hero's hand is offsuit but it's still a connector, whereas the direct pot odds and the implied ones (taking the bounties into account) are great and the equity requirement to stack off postflop is lower here than in a non-KO: Hero can stack off here any time when he hits an OESD, or a pair + gutshot, or top pair or better.