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luchoprat
Joined: 02.01.2016

Pacific, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $10.44 (104.4 bb)
Hero (BB): $10.15 (101.5 bb)
MP: $23.92 (239.2 bb)
CO: $9.90 (99 bb)
BTN: $10 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T♦: A♦:
MP raises to $0.30, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.65) 8♦: T♣: 3♣: (2 players)
Hero checks, MP checks

Turn: ($0.65) A♣: (2 players)
Hero bets $0.32, MP raises to $1.28, Hero calls $0.96

River: ($3.21) 2♥: (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $3.21, Hero calls $3.21

Results:

Spoiler

$9.63 pot ($0.48 rake)
Final Board: 8♦: T♣: 3♣: A♣: 2♥:
Hero showed T♦: A♦: and won $9.15 ($4.36 net)
MP showed K♣: J♠: and lost (-$4.79 net)

Ok so basically im wondering if I should have reraised on the turn instead of just calling.
in 26k hands:
vpip/pfr 28/21
or mp: 19
cbet ip single raised pot: 42
delayed cbet ip: 22
postflop agg: 29
turn agg: 29
wwsf: 40
wtsd: 28
w$sd: 56

This isnt related to this hand in particular but to get an idea.
raise flop cbet single raised pot: 4
raise turn cbet single raised pot: 12

He is pretty tight so I considered my 2 pairs like a bluff catcher instead of value, but I had the best 2 pairs, maybe something like T8 could have been bluff catcher and AT value instead.
What are your thoughts ?


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luchoprat
Joined: 02.01.2016

My mistake, based on the positions preflop AT is basically the only combo of 2 pairs Ill have in this kind of dynamic, so value or bluff catcher?


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

How is this guy tight? 28/21 aint that tight imo, actually the VPIP statst to be on the loose side.

OTT flush completed and villain raises you. I would say that you have a bluff catcher (and quite good one) but you can't start 3betting him for value.
He seems to be raising turns actively + you have top 2 pair -> I think calling is good.

OTR villain bets pot but I still think this is a call. His turn raise in single raised pots is 12 so I guess he is capable of bluffing. Also when board has Ac and Tc, it blocks some of his flushes.

I was gonna say that from GTO point of view this is a call too but now I'm not sure... You would have to defend with 50% of your turn calling range to be not exploitable. You are probably calling there with all of the sets and flushes? So is top 2 pair in the top 50% of that range?


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

GTO (read "balanced play") might actually be a fold, but don't take my word for it. Takes some time I don't have to figure out.

The point is that the turn bet is too small. Make this bet properly sized, and the issue doesn't arise. We call down.

On a side note: I think V played this fairly well.


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Saren113
Joined: 06.03.2009

I would have liked an overbet OTR from villian in this spot, it would makesense, because we want to put maximum pressure on heros range in this spot where he can't have the nuts, and when capped you want to bet big!


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

You are right. But he did at least bet pot. Good old V.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

We can fold turn exploitatively.
And we cannot 3b.


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Mozzek
Joined: 16.07.2016

I would call OTT. OTR it´s easy fold at these limits :). I cbet OTF.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Exploitative folding presupposes we know he ain't bluffing much. How do we know that? With a raise when a third club comes after he checked back flop, it takes a lot of reads to make me fold top two.


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luchoprat
Joined: 02.01.2016

La55i i know he isloose preflop, I meant tight postflop with 40 wwsf and 42 cbet


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luchoprat
Joined: 02.01.2016

Originally posted by Mozzek
I would call OTT. OTR it´s easy fold at these limits :). I cbet OTF.

You mean donk? He raised preflop not me


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Mozzek
Joined: 16.07.2016

Originally posted by luchoprat

Originally posted by Mozzek
I would call OTT. OTR it´s easy fold at these limits :). I cbet OTF.

You mean donk? He raised preflop not me

Ohh sorry, mb, don´t donk OTF. 3 betting OTT is cutting his calling (shoving) range to hands that have us always beat, so I wouldn´t go for it.


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Padelbro
Joined: 21.01.2010

It just so good flop to cbet and build pot or get folds with no-showdown value hand, that I think most villains just always cbet here with their FD's.

I think his turn raise-range is semibluffs and some weaker made hands (our sizing was really weak..), until I get more reads that is capable of actually having a valuehand here. Can't value-3-bet turn, but also certainly can't fold top-2 to his turn raise or when the river blanks.


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