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Top two pair oop in limped pot with semi-coordinated board against TAG

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msmozzarella
Joined: 14.03.2017

Pacific, $0.90 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
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SB: 1,480 (74 bb)
BB: 1,500 (75 bb)
UTG+1: 1,500 (75 bb)
UTG+2: 1,530 (76.5 bb)
Hero (MP1): 1,500 (75 bb)
MP2: 1,500 (75 bb)
MP3: 1,500 (75 bb) (VPIP: 19 % / PFR: 12 % (27 hands))
CO: 1,500 (75 bb)
BTN: 1,490 (74.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K♣: J♣:
UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls 20, Hero calls 20, MP2 folds, MP3 calls 20, CO folds, BTN calls 20, SB folds, BB checks

Flop: (110) J♦: K♥: T♣: (5 players)
BB checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets 80, MP3 raises to 240, 3 folds, Hero calls 160

Turn: (590) 5♦: (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets 100, Hero calls 100

River: (790) T♠: (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets 395, Hero calls 395

Results:

Spoiler

1,580 pot
Final Board: J♦: K♥: T♣: 5♦: T♠:
Hero showed K♣: J♣: and lost (-755 net)
MP3 showed 9♥: Q♥: and won 1,580 (825 net)

MP3 seems to be fairly TAG, haven't seen him do anything to crazy yet, though he has certainly tried to steal once or twice. On the flop I feel that he is probably strong, though I figure he would have raised AQ, TT+ pre. I dont think he ever limps Q9o, so the only hand that beats me is Q9s I think. I chose to take the more conservative line and let him bet all the way, but I'm thinking that might have been a mistake. Should we just try to get it in OTF? Actually when I look at combos in Equilab he is is way more likely to have a worse two pair than a straight, so I'm thinking I should definately have been going for value rather than be scared of elimination.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Pre-flop I would normal fold KJs in early position. If I play this hand I would raise it to isolate the limper. As played we are playing 5 ways and is betting with top 2 pair standard I think on a coordinated board like this for value and protection.

Now the MP3 player is raising its indeed tough to set him on a straight, but I think he can easy limp Q9 here with already 2 other limpers in the pot. KT is also a reasonable hand and I don’t think he will play sets like this, because TT+ I would normal raise as well. Off course he’s playing 19/12 on a low sample and he could have still a decent limping range.

I would go for it with a small 3bet to like 480 and call a shove and there are indeed only Q9 in his range you will most likely lose against and even if you against this hand you have still some outs to hit a full house.

It’s always good to know what kind of SNG this is, because there could be some ICM influence in the game already. If this is a 9 man SNG for example.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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vlzvl
Joined: 17.03.2014

I would re-raise or even shove the Flop, no reason to slowplay a typical Flop raise of an agressive guy as you said.
His raise is stronger than usual though since there are more players to play, however your top 2-pair is both pretty strong to consider folding, yet not so strong to slowplay either on that board.
Board is wet like rain and there are the main problem is the cards that can fall and freeze the action (A,K,Q,J,T,9)

Pot already has about 30% of your stack so you can consider it's worthy taking it just here or die trying to win anyway.
As played, i would just shoved the Turn right away against his wanna-be bet, just 15% of the pot. He certainly not looking milking you out with a monster with a 100 bet, isn't he? If i had to guess, i guess he has some sort of bottom pair or a draw. So i bet pretty big right now when these draws are still live.
Then you can note with what hand he bets 1/5 the pot.


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msmozzarella
Joined: 14.03.2017

Thanks guys! It's really helpful.


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JKV89
Joined: 05.03.2017

Just shove the flop


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Starfighter99
Joined: 04.04.2011

Never ever shove the Flop in a 5 way limped Pot. Raise Preflop and in a HU Situation you can consider shoving against KQ,QJ,QT.

As played NH. The T on the River is actualy a bad card for you because the weaker 2pairs improved now but in a 1$ SnG u might also see KQ or AK betting.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Originally posted by JKV89
Just shove the flop

Without an explanation this isn’t feedback we can deal with. If you mean that he could shove after the raise of MP3 on the flop it’s better to shove then right away.


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Okkernootje
Joined: 02.09.2013

i think i like this the best:

Originally posted by Starfighter99
Never ever shove the Flop in a 5 way limped Pot. Raise Preflop and in a HU Situation you can consider shoving against KQ,QJ,QT.

As played NH. The T on the River is actualy a bad card for you because the weaker 2pairs improved now but in a 1$ SnG u might also see KQ or AK betting.

Besides the fact that a never never doesn't (shouldn't) exist in a thinking poker player's vocabulary. Sure there are some examples where this is good. But default i agree... not the best way.

After his strange turn bet I'll put him on Qx a lot (3bet with open ender, no hit but tries to take it down). But the T, as already mentioned by sf99, completes a lot of hands that we had beat.
River is really really close (call or fold).


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