In most things in life dedication reaps rewards. Take for example guitar playing. If you had regular lessons and were to practice for 8 hours a day for a year you would be a very good guitar player. If you plastered walls everyday for a year you would be a great plasterer. If you juggled four balls for 8 hours everyday for a year you would be a great juggler. Then there is poker ! You could learn the correct way to play and spend a lifetime playing but unless your lucky you don't have a cat in hells chance of making money. Some people are much luckier than others. There is no explanation for this it's just a fact.
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Problem is that no player will ever play perfect poker. I expect if you play 8 hours per day and you would play it perfectly you will kill the variance and you will be a winning player for sure.
Cheers,
SDK1987
that is 100% wrong
if u play great poker , on the long run u will make lots of money , and u dont need to play perfect poker just very good poker
I will second this decision, trust me I just followed the basics here and it did well for me.
Never played money (real money) poker and will never in my life but soo far happy, I learned the game..
Enjoy it pretty much on small get-togethers with friends/family.
Obviously this is just a tilt thread. Eventually (or not) the OP will learn to resist the urge.
Originally posted by SDK1987
Problem is that no player will ever play perfect poker. I expect if you play 8 hours per day and you would play it perfectly you will kill the variance and you will be a winning player for sure.Cheers,
SDK1987
I agree with this more than a 100%. Even when you think you know all there is to know you're still not going to play perfect because the game always evolves and no two games are ever the same. Don't lose confidence in your ability because that's bad but don't over value your ability either because that's even worse. Start looking for holes in your game and you'll soon realize that a lot of what you perceive as bad luck is often bad play.
It's the subtlety of our mistakes that often mislead us. You might get KK cracked by some silly hand like JTs and think you're having bad luck. Looking closer however you realize that you did not raise enough pre-flop or if you did you might have given your opponent a number of free/cheap cards to outdraw you.
I'm not saying there are always mistakes on your part. I'm just saying that a lot of what we think was good play might turn out to be bad play on our part.
Some people are much luckier than others.
No offence but those players you're referring to are working their seats off, everyday doing the same thing, they're no tilting when they make an error (yeah, there's no perfect poker, only desire to fix your errors), they're dedicated.
If you were working on a job 9-5 you would certainly become good at it at some point, not because you would be talented but because there would be a boss.
8 hours everyday, you would crush your job after a while.
On poker you're your own boss, this is the problem all of us have to solve.
Some of the "luckiest" people out there managed to become a good boss of themselves and put aside tilt, negativity, variance, you know all the stuff you wanted to to in your 9-5 job but you couldn't because you'd be fired.
Actually it's a fact that if you manage to take the best decisions in poker, overtime you'll crush the games because most people wont be doing that -- provided you play a decent sample, as a decent sample is 9-5 typical job, 5 days a week
cheers
Oh and as for guitar playing, how many good guitar players do you know that are famous? And how many do you know that are not? 
Even becoming a famous guitar player involves some luck in meeting the right people at the right time, being noticed by the right people at the right time and so on. Those people are usually the ones jamming in the little pub down the street every night of the week while waiting for their big break instead of sitting at home feeling sad because nobody gave them a contract yet. 
el poker es un juego de informacion incompleta asi que nunca vas a jugarlo perfecto, solo manejas la probabilidad y tu experticia en tus oponentes.
el poker es un juego de informacion incompleta asi que nunca vas a jugarlo perfecto, solo manejas la probabilidad y tu experticia en tus oponentes.
Poker is an incomplete information game so you're never going to play it perfect, you only manage probability and your expertise in your opponents.
Poker is an incomplete information game so you're never going to play it perfect, you only manage probability and your expertise in your opponents.
In order for probability to reach a positive outcome, you need to play hundreds of thousands of hands.
This means that you need a bankroll that can handle a fairly deep slump -- and the mental attitude to handle that slump as well.
Cheers,
VS
There is no luck in poker, unless on the short run. After about 200.000 hands you see whether you´re a winning player or not. Poker is about statistics, mindset, concentration, nerves, discipline and patience. Most of those skills you can learn. Some are more talented than others, some learn faster, some people slower but with hard work I think (almost) everybody can become a solid player. Good or bad luck is on the short run and variance can hit you hard! You need the ability to cope with variance. If you can´t than quit poker or become a "just for fun"-player.
I admit that coping with variance is hard. BUT: You can learn it. It just takes time. But the more experience you get the better you cope - if not: quit or just play recreationally.
If you really studied poker than you should know all this! You should know about variance, about statistics, about the sample size needed. And you should know that variance can be a b*tch!
There is no perfect poker! Nobody plays perfectly, not even the pros. But the more experience you get, the more you study the math of poker and your Villains, the better decisions you will make. It´s about making the right decision in as many spots as possible but making the right decision in every spot is not possible. But the more right decisions you make, the more you will win on the long run, this means 100 K, 200 K or 500 K hands!
I hope I could help.....
Clearly OP is not winning player and tries to justify, because of the variance. There's actually valid point in this thread tho. 2 winnings players can play for example 20000 tournaments. EV could be 5 - 6 €/$ for each tournament for this sample and diffence between profit won 14k - 211k. Now we talk about player who is playing 20 - 30% ROI at 20€ Avg Bin.
You can control this variance much more when you're aware of it, but there's no way to eliminate it. There will be always people who pretty much "run insanely good" and come success stories and people who never just take down any big tournament. I guess cash games & SNGs little bit different, but there it just start to be so much tougher and tougher and talent comes to more in play. 1 guy might try to go up from NL200 to HS for 5 years but never succeed, another guy just turns 18 and goes to HS "crushing" immidiately. Luck? Talent? Skill? Don't know, seems unfair but not everyone will become HS crusher.
As well might have very long heaters which make us blind to leaks in our game. We face downswing (short or long) and we become obsessed to found something "to fix" even logically we know it's bad run. Improvement happens bit by bit, day by day... If you played game for years there's no way to make drastic changes that would be good for your game. Your ROI might increase 1 - 3% because of 3 months study or 0,50 - 1,50bb/100 or not improve at all. You can be better but everyone else improve as well. ,Actually because of variance there's maybe not clear way to see if your edge has increased or not.
Don't want to depress anyone, but you cannot control everything. Do your best to enjoy the process, do the best you can, win as much as you can, learn as much as can.
And realize that this time I used to write this post, I've could have used for solver analyses or reviewing some of the FT handhistory from yesterday. Will not make big difference today, but if I do this everyday instead of studying I might just loose that edge which I need.