3b pot with overpair line check

I think you played OK , however anything better than a JJ beats you a higher pair , 2 Pair,a set, or JT beats you , maybe you overplayed your JJ a bit. The SB has many hands in a wide range he decided to call you with
tmannie

I think I would just call the flop. I can't see much cards to get value from with your raise, so I would like to keep his entire range in tbh.
Depending his betsizing OTT, I would continue to just call.

As played, I think you are way behind after he calls your raise, or he is incorrectly calling with a draw but than his shove OTT doesnt make much sence.
So maybe he is sprewing A9 or has TT or some combodraw like TcJc or 6c7c but those are about the hands he could do this with and not beat us. Tbh, I think he has smtg like a set, QK, QA, JJ+ and I would fold to his shove

I don't like the flop raise. SB has QQ+ and maybe all the possible sets in his range. You don't.
You have a backdoor flush draw that is not to the nuts, so I wouldn't give that much value to that. If you hit a flush, there are many better flushes possible.
With a raise you isolate yourself against stronger range and your hand has small chance to improve if you are already behind. There are no turn cards except J that you can shove.

I don't see alot of sets in his range here....

Raising flop is very bad on this board with this hand. If you raise this you are raising too much value hands. And your not beating anything from his value range. Maybe TT.

Yea sorry I misread the action a bit. It was a sqeeze not a 3bet against hero. So maybe it would make more sense for villain to flat his small pocket pairs.

Hero is very unbalanced here I agree, KK+ would 4b/gii pre and a often with QQ also, especially CO vs SB. So there's not much overpairs in our range otf except TT-QQ. I would probably find a fold if villain shoved after my raise otf, but I agree raise is a mistake since we're folding a lot of Ax hands that might barrel turns as well, we only get value from some AK/AQss and TT combos here.

I'll have to work on playing overpairs postflop though.

No way that raise on the flop is correct

Originally posted by corvusim
I think JJ are too weak to 4b for value pre vs SB and too strong to 4b bluff. With an overpair + backdoor fd I decide to raise flop, can't fold on Qx turn also. Thoughts?
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Yes.

You shouldn't for now worry at all about marginal preflop decisions. You need to think about huge postflop leaks. These are much more important than preflop ranges (because postflop is where the big money goes in).

For instance, you talk about a backdoor jack high flush draw as if it would have any whatsoever importance for the decision.

Note too that your raise commits you. I'm sure you'd agree that going all-in on the flop is absolutely horrible. But it would actually be better than taking the line you took. You might then convince a guy with QQ maybe KK to fold.

Thanks for the insight, much appreciated!

Luckily this time villain had TT and I got lucky gii vs a spewy player, although in this hand I was as spewy as him. But yeah, my line def seemed weird and bad overall so I wanted to hear from others. The problem is I don't tend to be aggro post in terms of raising cbets, donking etc. so it might have something to do with that fact. I'll work on it in the future and try to look for better spots, preferably ones where I won't be folding hands I beat and hoping villain has the one hand he can call with while behind.

Controlled aggression is fine. Suppose in this hand instead you held 7♥:6♥:, and the stacks were significantly deeper. Now you raise to 35 bb (instead of 45 bb). A villain holding AA should now become very, very nervous. Alternatively, you call flop, and then raise small on a blank turn, ... A good villain now folds AA. This doesn't mean he is a pushover. He'll do the same to you once in a while when situations (primarily position) are reversed.

The sense moral is that it isn't the raise (or its size within reason) itself that is scary to a good villain. It is the prospect of losing a huge pot when more bets go in on later streets that scares him.

That's how the aggression game should be played. You want to take down nice pots holding 7 high. Note that whatever villain folds, whether he hero-folds AA or has just junk, he folded a better hand.