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QQ 4 Bet Pre Flop - Call or Fold... or 5 Bet!

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AnXfile378
Joined: 20.07.2017

Ok so this is a situation I was unsure how to deal with... Help me figure out the right play here...

NL10
6 Max Table
Global Poker

Stack size for the players involved

BU - 152.6 BB
BB (HERO) - 111.7 BB

Hero Dealt - Q♥: Q♣:

BU Raises - 3 BB
BB (HERO) - Raises 7 BB
BU Raises - 21.5 BB

Hero Folds :f_confused:

So some background here....

Earlier in the session I 3 bet him with Pocket Kings, and I flopped the 3 king (yay). It was a wet board so I made a pot bet on the flop to take down the pot then and there..

So this was I would say about 5 or 6 hands later... So I wonder was he 4 betting me because he was pissed about the KK hand, or did I make the right fold because his 4 bet can easily represent a KK or AA

Would love not only your thoughts on this situation, but what would you do in this spot?

Thanks as always!


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josepunk
Joined: 29.10.2008

It was heads up? If so its an easy all in, he can have kk and aa some times but in general your hand is good enough vs all his range, he can also have Ak, AQ, AJ and bluff hands like Axs, broadways, etc, if you think he is tilted is even a better situation because he can have a wider range that can include for example 88-JJ and is willing to go all in, regards


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I believe this was full table but because no tracking available you just wrote down the relevant players?

First thing I notice is your 3bet size. Standard would be 3x and when OOP some guys (including me) like to 3bet 1bb bigger. IP you could 3bet 1bb smaller.. So my 3bet size would be 10bb instead of 7. Too small imo.

Second thing is that from these positions I believe QQ is an easy stackoff. Unless you have reads that villain 4bets only KK+. And you don't have those reads.

I also want to comment your play on the previous hand. I'm not sure betting pot was a good option. You usually can use smaller sizes in 3bet pots and being afraid of villain outdrawing your good hand is not a reason to make him fold right away. You want him to continue with a wider range and if he happens to hit something you still have about 10 outs.


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AnXfile378
Joined: 20.07.2017

Originally posted by la55i
I believe this was full table but because no tracking available you just wrote down the relevant players?

First thing I notice is your 3bet size. Standard would be 3x and when OOP some guys (including me) like to 3bet 1bb bigger. IP you could 3bet 1bb smaller.. So my 3bet size would be 10bb instead of 7. Too small imo.

Second thing is that from these positions I believe QQ is an easy stackoff. Unless you have reads that villain 4bets only KK+. And you don't have those reads.

I also want to comment your play on the previous hand. I'm not sure betting pot was a good option. You usually can use smaller sizes in 3bet pots and being afraid of villain outdrawing your good hand is not a reason to make him fold right away. You want him to continue with a wider range and if he happens to hit something you still have about 10 outs.

Thanks as always for your insight and note on the previous hand

It is 6 max

As for a tracker, I play on a site here in the US called Global Poker. It's web based and they don't have compatibility with tracking software and no huds so I have to type out all my hand reviews.


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Fanko
Joined: 24.08.2010

Bigger 3bet preflop and easy shove BU vs BB. There are plenty of weaker hands to call and even vs JJ+, AKo+ you still have enough equity.


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Dadramel
Joined: 10.08.2014

You only need 30% to call, i doubt you don't beat 30% of his range here.


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BingoWings
Joined: 14.04.2017

Seems like a very reasonable shove spot. If i had info villain likes calling AK ip in these spots and doesn't really have much of a bluffing range i would perhaps re-evaluate the decision to shove.


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