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DAYETTAY
Joined: 03.10.2015

Hi all. After playing poker for a couple years on and off, mixing cash games with mtt, i have decided that I want to only play MTTs. I have $200 and I have put it on pokerstars as they have the most micro tournaments and the largest fields to make bigger potential winnings ( granted with more people to get through and more regs).

What would you reccomend for buy ins?

My current plan is that i can look to enter 4-6 tournaments per session 3 times a week. Mostly buying in the $1-$5 range with the odd big buy in $10-$20 once a week. Maybe more or less if i have had a nice cash or dry run.

This is not a bankroll building future pro dream. Just enjoying poker and hoping to bink a big one once in a blue moon.

Does this sound like a reasonable plan? Anyone do anything similar or perhaps something completely different?

Thanks in advance.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Hi DAYETTAY,

I have very little experience in MTTs but I think at least 100 buy-ins is usually recommended. Also the bigger the field the bigger your bankroll should be. Some guys would recommend even 200 buy-ins for some tournaments.
This basically means that if you mainly play 1-5$ with random buy-ins up to 20$ your BRM is quite aggressive.

But you said that you are playing for fun. If you acknowledge that the variance is big and there is a risk of busting your bankroll and depositing more money is fine for you, I don't think BRM matters that much.


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Oogadoo
Joined: 10.08.2014

Sounds reasonable Davetay but I would limit anything above $2 if your playing 1000+ tourn fields if your playing smaller fields you can take a chance at bigger tourns also if this is your main hobby you can put money back into your account most other hobbies /past times cost money so have a pop at bigger buy ins. I love tourns but made most of my money at cash and play on smaller sites so there is a better chance of going deeper, I'm only a rec but have never reloaded on any site I have played on. Hope this helps rungood.


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tonypmm
Joined: 11.01.2009

As a recreational player, you don't need any bankroll management - just do anything that maximises your fun; only play with your spare money that you don't mind losing, not with the money you need to meet your life expenses.

If you were to play poker professionally, I'd advise to stick to a rule of thumb: play at the buy-in levels where you have reasonable evidence that you're a longterm winner; if you have no evidence, start with the lowest stakes ($0.11-0.55) until you make sure that your skill is good enough to be a winner at $0.88+ (getting such a proof requires thousands of tourneys or a review of your play by a qualified coach). Don't take shots at the next level at all, no matter how much money you have, until you're totally sure that your ROI at the current level in the very long term is bigger than 10%.

But if you become a strong pro and suddenly have to make a larger than normal cash out for real-life reasons, you'll only need a small bankroll (my educated guess is that, for a pro, it's OK to move up once one has 50 BIs for the next level) to get back to your usual stakes, because the microstakes are much softer than your usual stakes at that time and you'll be already strong enough to crush the micros with much higher ROIs than your usual stakes at the time.

Optimal bankroll management for a pro is like trampoline jumping: you should be ready to move down at any time, maybe 2-3 levels down within a week in a bad scenario, but with bigger ROIs at the lower stakes, you'll likely bounce back soon enough, especially if you make a final table. And when the wind of variance blows upwards at the highest level where you're yet qualified enough to play, that's when you'll finally make money, but don't rush to play at a higher level then - first get the proof that you're a longterm winner at all the previous levels.

Most pros don't like to move down as often as I find optimal, because they feel like moving down is like being demoted (which it isn't) and that would put them on tilt, hence they find it more comfortable to play at levels for which they have 100+ BIs.

Bottom line: the skill matters much more in modern online poker than the bankroll size. A strong player doesn't need much; to a losing player, no money in the world would be enough.


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Botaniker
Joined: 09.11.2010


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