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DAYETTAY
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Joined: 03.10.2015
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21.10.2017, 00:36

Guy UTG has been very tight. Is there any reason to fold AQ to his open shove ? this was 12 left in the big $5.50 but my stack was I think 11th/10th so can I fold AQ ? the money only really starts to get really tempting in the last 5/6 and players stacks on both tables are even enough that no one is taking big risks. lots of walks and uncalled min raises. could I have let this one slide and used an 18bb stack to force some folds with other hands when folded to ? or call and gamble for more competitive stack ?

Poker Stars, $5 Buy-in (15,000/30,000 blinds, 3,750 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Hero (SB): 536,628 (17.9 bb)
BB: 2,399,464 (80 bb)
UTG: 378,023 (12.6 bb)
MP: 1,120,813 (37.4 bb)
CO: 1,289,287 (43 bb)
BTN: 668,367 (22.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q♦: A♥:
UTG raises to 374,273 and is all-in, 3 folds, Hero raises to 532,878 and is all-in, BB folds

Flop: (801,046) 6♦: 3♥: K♥: (2 players, 2 are all-in)
Turn: (801,046) J♥: (2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: (801,046) 4♠: (2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results:

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801,046 pot
Final Board: 6♦: 3♥: K♥: J♥: 4♠:
Hero showed Q♦: A♥: and lost (-378,023 net)
UTG showed K♣: A♣: and won 801,046 (423,023 net)


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insomnia666
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21.10.2017, 08:28

I will fold. Not so happy, but still...:(, AQs, 99...


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SDK1987
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21.10.2017, 09:38

If the UTG player is playing tight the whole time like 15 VPIP and 15 PFR or lower for example I would make a tight fold with AQo as well in a 6-handed game, but it’s most likely the best hand I would fold here.

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Kinghu
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21.10.2017, 09:42

UTG range is about AA-99,AK,AQ.
That would make it a fold from me


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insomnia666
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21.10.2017, 09:47

Originally posted by Kinghu
UTG range is about AA-99,AK,AQ.
That would make it a fold from me

I know this is not for me. But your logic is very strange. And most likely wrong.


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SDK1987
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22.10.2017, 08:50

That range seems very tight to me. Especially in a MTT I would shove at least any pair and most suited aces here. If the UTG player wasn’t a nit I would isolate shove AQo for sure.


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insomnia666
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23.10.2017, 16:12

This shove is not good even vs random player.


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adasko99
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23.10.2017, 17:42

I don't get it :f_biggrin:
Nash shows for utg to push 20.2% and for SB to reshove 12.7%, AQo giving +6.02 CHIP EV
ICM doesnt apply right? We wanna be in a good position at the FT right?

Right ok he is tight but in order for AQo to be -EV here he needs to push max 8% of hod range (66+ ATs+ AJo+)
If he really is that tight at 12bbs stack then I guess we can fold :f_biggrin:


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insomnia666
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23.10.2017, 18:49

ICM doesnt apply right?

I don't get it :f_biggrin:


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insomnia666
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23.10.2017, 18:58

Random player in this spot will shove with pp. Very unlikely to see other hand in his range. AQo needs more, than "probably". You can ask ur friend Nash. He knows. He have at least 1kk micro tournaments.

Especially in a MTT I would shove at least any pair and most suited aces here.

Really? And this is profitable? Vs the real ranges , not vs some unreal ranges from the charts. There is HRC, you can see how profitable is this.
"At least". Good luck! You need it.


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adasko99
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23.10.2017, 19:51

Originally posted by insomnia666

ICM doesnt apply right?

I don't get it :f_biggrin:

so does it apply or not? :f_cool: :f_biggrin: :f_wink:


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