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Zoom, AKhh, TPTK, facing a huge over bet on river

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Dr1fter808
Joined: 11.10.2017

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 137.24 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
SB: 318.12 BB (VPIP: 11.11, PFR: 5.56, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 19)
BB: 88 BB (VPIP: 22.73, PFR: 13.64, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 23)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 15.91, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 46)
Hero (MP): 137.6 BB
CO: 288.68 BB (VPIP: 16.25, PFR: 13.75, 3Bet Preflop: 6.45, Hands: 82)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K♥ A♥

fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, CO raises to 9 BB, BTN raises to 15 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 12 BB, CO calls 6 BB

Flop: (46.4 BB, 3 players) K♠ 3♠ 6♥
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN bets 4 BB, Hero calls 4 BB, CO calls 4 BB

Turn: (58.4 BB, 3 players) 7♣
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN bets 10 BB, Hero calls 10 BB, fold

River: (78.4 BB, 2 players) 8♥
Hero checks, BTN bets 108.24 BB and is all-in, Hero ???


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BigSmileBG
Joined: 17.04.2013

The flop is 46BB, BTN bets only 4BB - why you don't raise him?!


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Dr1fter808
Joined: 11.10.2017

I think I was trying to be cautious because he 4betted preflop?


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BigSmileBG
Joined: 17.04.2013

Do you think that, if hi has AA, hi will bet only 4BB? On the flop we have flushdrow. I think that on the flop only KK is dangerous for you. But the probability is very small. Any way in this way of game i should fold with unknown player. (but i am still fish :) )


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Mozzek
Joined: 16.07.2016

Hi,
I would think about getting it in pre, as the BTN is a fish. But you would need to know, how likely it is, that CO is gonna call ur shove (look at his 3b in CO). Otherwise calling should be the way to go as well, less variance play imo, maybe even better in EV, as our edge over fish comes postflop, not preflop. So, call is pretty fine preflop. OTF though, you should raise there for sure. For one you wanna make CO fold and stay with the fish in the pot only and two, there is a FD out there so you need protection (and if not, if spade comes OTT it´s a killer action - if one of opps is not holding FD). So definitely raise, I wouldn´t be worried of goin big, like 36BB and ship on most turns. If both calls I would x/f on spade turn, if BTN only calls, then it gets tricky... As played, I think you should call, he represents busted FD, but I don´t like the spot and surely you didn´t as well :). If he has AA, then you can´t do anything, and u block AA...


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Dr1fter808
Joined: 11.10.2017

Yeah, I dislike the way I play this hand. I feel like he made his hand on river somehow, like 88? Or he got cute with AA/KK.


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Mozzek
Joined: 16.07.2016

I don´t think he 4b 88 preflop like that. His line doesn´t make sense, maybe T9s, AA, or busted FD, that would be my guess.


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LemOn36
Joined: 07.02.2009

Yeah you can 5bet stack off pre
but I don't think it's a big deal from MP vs the action either way
And I like how you played it post
You would not bluffraise there ever with CO still behind you same goes for the turn
So call call and snap river, if he has the 3AA combos or the remaining one KK combo good for him
you might even chop a decent amount of the time vs his AK


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LemOn36
Joined: 07.02.2009

It's not that huge btw not even 1.5X
Do I think you are beat a lot here? Yes
Are you good less than the 37% you need? I'd say not, you've done a good job underreping your hand here


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msnek
Joined: 01.10.2008

First option is to get it in preflop. I would just call and raise OTF to 38bb. If villains re-raises I am getting it in.

As played fold river - he is never (almost) bluffing here.


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Mozzek
Joined: 16.07.2016

Lemon: Do we need to care if we have any bluffs in this situation? I mean, our goal is to get rid off CO and stack the fish right? Also, if CO hits, wouldn´t he donk if he hit (at least sometimes?), because he wants the same, to stack the fish? Why is it better to give "free" cards to FD, when, at the same time, we can charge them (and as BTN is a fish I can assume he would pay for them). On the other hand, he probably has just few of them (AQ, AJ and that´s probably it), however the CO could have some.


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