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IvicaIliev77
Joined: 31.05.2012

Hey my friend - its been too long! Nice to see you back :)

About the hand, there is several things I don't like in your thinking process, will try to quickly break it down:
- River sizing is less than 1/2 donk bet so based on bet sizing it is not polarized range
- Defend range of BB vs HJ for 50+bb effective (the wider he calls middling hands and suited ones, the worse it gets for you)
- Your K9 may not have showdown value but the problem with it is that you block opponents bluffing range. You discount 9x bluff combos he might have called and donk river with. On the other hand 9x blocks 1/4 of his value straight combos 98.

Major problem with the hand and why I don't like bluff raising in those spots without super specific reads:
- Opponent has sets, 2 pairs, straights and TPSK in those spots when donking river less then 1/2 pot
- Pot to stack ratio is such that you don't get fold equity nowhere near frequently to bluff jam here
- Your bet sizing on flop and turn dictates that you were setting up value on river

In some crazy meta game, opponent might donk bet weaker TPs here to get value or make you make mistake (because people play terrible vs donk bets in general) or he does it from his range construction stand point where TPWK or such hand is not good enough on average to call 3 streets (especially facing larger bet on river) while donking river makes him control the action where he expects you to raise him with only super strong hands (2 pairs, sets and straights). If he is thinking like THIS and you KNOW he thinks like this, then your bluff jam river makes sense because he will likely split his range to bluff catch you with strong hands by x/c or x/jam while his donk range will consist of 2nd value category hands which he may decide to fold facing raise river since river raises are perceived as very strong range overall (in 2017 still!).

Anyways, I would not make such play and try to do theory part here without properly reading into opponents cold calling range vs early position as well as how he reacts on river and what his donk bets are. For example, if he always donks 2 pairs or better, you have zero fold equity. If he donks TPWK, you may get some fold equity.
Again, depends if he is strong, weak, decent reg or recreational as well as buy in limit. If its 10$ game , he will likely bet call TPWK, in 100$ game likely bet fold to your jam. Your meta game with him plays also key role but I think you leveled yourself here a bit too much. I see tons of 2 pairs, sets and TPs in his range and if he plays donking with value hands considering you never 3 barrel bluff your busted draws then you have very little to none fold equity here (assuming he does donk some FDs that missed, still nowhere near enough bluffs vs his value donking range).

Anyways, glad to see you back and I look forward hearing what you have been up to man!
Crush it!


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Hi, so you have been playing spin&go now? High rake + low sort of rakeback + variance is not problematic in those?

Game was 25€ and well villains are somewhat fishy on average.

Mainly by polarized I meant in hand that considering my flop and turn lines he should only bet for value with some two pairs or better. After all bottom of my turn bet range for value will be top pair with good kicker at weakest. With this sizing. So bet-calling even some good two pairs would be bit questionable. As said I would tend to shove over with QTs at widest and even that I could just call some portion of time. If villain bets some top pairs I could have good possibility to get those to fold.

Its really hard for villain to have 9♣: outside of 98 after calling flop and turn bets. J9 should not call flop, 79 type should often fold turn. Q9 maybe but betting that would be weird. So imo most 9x bluffs in his range will be with 9♥: So I dont see that 9 to be such problem.

Now in reality I dont really expect villain to bet-fold two pairs even if my range will be almost purely for value when I shove river. Also there is good chance villain would play more aggro with sets or two pairs on earlier streets. So I dont really assume villain to have huge amount of those. But to me this sort of combo make most sense to add as rare bluff and not like I would always try this anyway.

If counting my value combos which will be: QQ, 77, 55, TT, 89s and maybe QTs there will be like 16-18 combos. Villain needs to win around 25% of time versus shove to be breakeven. So yeah if I would make this sort of play with like 2 combos of K9s outside of hearts that would keep my range still really value heavy. Well depending of villain actual hand he will block some of those value hands.

Well hard to say if in reality having few bluff combos or not will give any value for overall range. Pretty rare situation altogether.


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Having some problems with my health side which has kept me reaaally tired almost all the time recently. Nothing new in this as its mostly because of something that was already diagnosed 7 years ago. I just sometimes get lazy to treat myself correctly.

Anyway have put some hours in for this year and results have been nice. Aiming to increase monthly volume to 100 hours for now. Heh thats actually more than I have done in quite a while. MTT side has been on ice recently. Just tough to focus on longer sessions which is why my sng sessions also tend to be less than 3 hours. Should once again find inspiration for self treatment to get some basic day routine and through that possibly more energy for normal life and poker. Have had tough time to sleep at night which has resulted in small naps during day. That sort of stuff just tends to get day routines all around... But I will try to stay awake today and get long night sleep. Maybe things start to look better :f_zZz:


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Primrose6789
Joined: 01.07.2016

Oh, I´m sorry to read that, Ghale! _cry: As someone who ´s got also her "nice diagnosis" ([x] NOT!) I can tell you: heath comes first! You cannot perform without health so focus on treatment first before you think about performance. Good health is the basics of good performance! So, first: get well soon! _thumbsup:


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Start of the year has been pretty good. Daily schedule in bit better shape now and have been at gym bit more often. 2-3 times per week would be good to me. Now its around 2 times. Have thought about buying skis. Would still have time for couple months and there are lot of places for that at close distance.

Poker wise games has gone pretty good. I think month is up around 3.3k€ currently plus some profit from private coaching. Having 55-70$ hourly fee on those so it makes decent amounts. Though its not any big business for me really. With this rate month will be around 60h total play amount probably so hitting 100h for this month is unlikely. But probably aim to do 30h on end of month. So have to try and find motivation bit more next month :)

Have been making some comments on hand analyze area randomly. Seems to be mostly just micro stake players asking stuff in sng area which seems bit weird to me. I suppose people playing in this spin legends program use their internal area or some skype group or whatever. I think it would be better for community in general if they also used open area but perhaps it would not be wise business decision. Problem could also be lack of higher stake players viewing it so it wont work as good way to get feedback anymore.


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Had pretty interesting spot in sng yesterday. So in 5 handed (65/35 structure) UTG open raised to 3bb. Decently active type player but somewhat fishy. I could type it out of memory:

Stacks roughly 2k. Blinds 25/50

Hand: A♦:Q♥:

UTG raise to 150, CO fold, Hero call, Blinds fold

Flop (375) A♥:T♥:9♥:
UTG bet 200, Hero call

Turn (775) K♦:
UTG shoves 1500, Hero?

Preflop I could 3bet but when he makes it 3bb I dont really like idea to 3bet-call or 3bet-fold that much so calling is best imo and flop call is standard.

So to me his turn line looks something solid but vulnerable good amount of time. So I didnt think he would have flush and probably not straight either. It could be some two pairs or sets without big heart. I thought villain would be unlikely to play e.g. AK with Kh like that. If I had AQ without heart this would be easy fold but when I had it... So to call in cEV I needed roughly 40% Bit more with ICM.

If villain range is only AA,TT-99,KdKs,KdKc,KsKc,ATs-A9s,AsKs,AcKc,ATo-A9o,AdKs,AdKc,AsKd,AsKc,AcKd,AcKs then I would only have 32.7%
If I add AQ and KTs kombos it would be 38.5%
If I add e.g. J♥:Jx it would be 43.18%
If adding AJ it would be 51.22%

Now as I said villain is somewhat fishy and I wasnt sure if my hand is always behind his whole value range. Obviously it should be but its tough to be sure. Even if he most of time has solid value hand our outs are often good. I did make call in the end here and villain actually did show up with AJ without heart so if that is in his range then call is definitely plus ev. But versus more solid player I would probably have to fold. Though of course sensible player would probably not shove hands like AT that eagerly.

But anyway pretty weird spot.


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Joined: 03.07.2013

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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Originally posted by wtrtwbnf
Good to see that you're still playing, what has happened to aarnimetsa? good luck with your health man. Did pokerimania go away? i loved you guys, you all helped me alot. please extend this thank you to the others as well if u get a chance :)
Well I still do weekly stream. Some sng and mtt. Aarnimetsa has not been active for quite some time. Wont do to details why that is.


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Didnt play serious session today but went for some 7$ spin&go before sauna and Eurosport snooker. Some hands from those:

Here villain minraised and I had too small stack depth to make any small 3bet and usually shove here will get lot of folds. So decided to balance flatting range. Awesome flop and with diamond in my hand there is no need for any protection. Se went for call and gave villain possibility to spew more. Obviously good player would never pot with these stacks so that alone tells that villain is fishy and could do lot of stupid stuff. Got nice donation here :)

PokerStars - 15/30 NL (3 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 34.5 BB (VPIP: 58.82, PFR: 18.75, 3Bet Preflop: 28.57, Hands: 20)
Hero (BB): 15.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K♥ K♦

SB raises to 2 BB, Hero calls 1 BB

Flop: (4 BB, 2 players) 7♦ K♠ J♦
Hero checks, SB bets 4 BB, Hero calls 4 BB

Turn: (12 BB, 2 players) 6♣
Hero checks, SB bets 12 BB, Hero calls 9.5 BB and is all-in

River: (31 BB, 2 players) 5♠

Spoiler

Hero shows K♥ K♦ (Three of a Kind, Kings)
(Pre 88%, Flop 95%, Turn 100%)
SB shows T♥ 5♦ (One Pair, Fives)
(Pre 12%, Flop 5%, Turn 0%)
Hero wins 31 BB

Got premium hand to raise and on flop went for small cbet. Could do it with whole range on such dry flop as BB should have so much air and equity denial has decent value even with hand like I have here. Can be tricky spot if villain happen to raise but if checking I would prefer to have backdoor flush draw.

Villain calls and minbet turn. Obviously never folding and even if I had like 87 I could basically draw for likely 6 outs. River is great and villain minbets again. Pretty unlikely that he has better and if I went for small raise it would be tough to hero fold to shove. So it makes lot of sense to go for max value and shove bit over pot size. Also because recreational players tend to have hard time to fold any full house in spot like this. Even if I can actually have quite a lot of better hands.

PokerStars - 10/20 NL (3 max) - Holdem - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 31 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
Hero (BTN): 20 BB
SB: 24 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A♦ T♣

Hero raises to 2 BB, fold, BB calls 1 BB

Flop: (4.5 BB, 2 players) 3♣ K♥ K♦
BB checks, Hero bets 1.5 BB, BB calls 1.5 BB

Turn: (7.5 BB, 2 players) K♠
BB bets 1 BB, Hero calls 1 BB

River: (9.5 BB, 2 players) T♦
BB bets 1 BB, Hero raises to 15.5 BB and is all-in, BB calls 14.5 BB

Spoiler

Hero shows A♦ T♣ (Full House, Kings full of Tens)
(Pre 65%, Flop 29%, Turn 18%)
BB shows Q♠ 3♥ (Full House, Kings full of Threes)
(Pre 35%, Flop 71%, Turn 82%)
Hero wins 40.5 BB


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Pretty standard hand here but would have liked bit bigger river bet like 6BB. Kx+ I would tend to bet bigger on turn and shove river but second pair with weal kicker would be too thin for that.

PokerStars - 10/20 NL (3 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): 57.5 BB
BB: 17.5 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J♥ 6♦

Hero raises to 2 BB, BB calls 1 BB

Flop: (4 BB, 2 players) 9♥ K♦ J♦
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (4 BB, 2 players) 5♠
BB checks, Hero bets 2.5 BB, BB calls 2.5 BB

River: (9 BB, 2 players) 2♥
BB checks, Hero bets 4 BB, BB calls 4 BB

Spoiler

Hero shows J♥ 6♦ (One Pair, Jacks)
(Pre 37%, Flop 80%, Turn 89%)
BB mucks 9♠ A♣ (One Pair, Nines)
(Pre 63%, Flop 20%, Turn 11%)
Hero wins 17 BB

Here went bit tricky. Flop I could raise as well but drawing for 1BB is awesome as well. In river by checking I might lose value versus some 6x type of hands but I think 8x+ would always value bet. Maybe some K6+ as well. So nice spot to balance weakish check range with nuts and give him possibility to bluff as well. He did think for long while so probably had some sort of "thinnish" value bet.

PokerStars - 10/20 NL (3 max) - Holdem - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): 25 BB
BTN: 23.5 BB (VPIP: 75.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
SB: 26.5 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 5♣ 7♠

BTN raises to 2 BB, fold, Hero calls 1 BB

Flop: (4.5 BB, 2 players) 2♠ 6♣ 4♥
Hero checks, BTN bets 1 BB, Hero calls 1 BB

Turn: (6.5 BB, 2 players) 9♥
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: (6.5 BB, 2 players) 8♣
Hero checks, BTN bets 3.25 BB, Hero raises to 22 BB and is all-in, fold

Hero wins 13 BB


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Donk betting flop would likely be good here with lot of stuff that connect. BU is going to usually check often and there will often be bad turn cards for my range.

But went for check-raise anyway and it did go checked. Turn Q is bad as it can easily hit both villains but when SB check again it will usually decrease some of Qx on such drawy board and I am only player with uncapped range still. Meaning I can have lot and lot of nutty stuff. So I should get rarely raised and went for sizable turn semibluff as I would want to also protect with any 2pair+. Well of course fish could raise with some KQ playing it as nuts.

PokerStars - 10/20 NL (3 max) - Holdem - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 25 BB
SB: 25 BB
Hero (BB): 25 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T♦ 5♦

BTN raises to 2 BB, SB calls 1.5 BB, Hero calls 1 BB

Flop: (6 BB, 3 players) 4♦ 7♣ 6♦
SB checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: (6 BB, 3 players) Q♥
SB checks, Hero bets 5 BB, fold, fold

Hero wins 6 BB

This was interesting one. Small sample but so far villain had played every hand. So pretty standard raise on preflop. 20bb deep I would just shove. Flop is decent to cbet and it gets interesting when villain raises. These are bit tricky spots as basically villain should not raise like A7, Tx and so on. So its bit tough to believe villain and my 66 beats all bluffs (even if somewhat vulnerable) and doesnt block semibluffs. Now of course I could just fold to raise and give respect to villain.

Well hero calling is fun sometimes and if I call flop I have to call this river. That hand made sense.

PokerStars - 10/20 NL (3 max) - Holdem - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 32.4 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
Hero (BB): 26 BB
BTN: 16.6 BB (VPIP: 80.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 6♥ 6♠

fold, SB calls 0.5 BB, Hero raises to 3 BB, SB calls 2 BB

Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) T♣ A♦ 4♦
SB checks, Hero bets 2.5 BB, SB raises to 9 BB, Hero calls 6.5 BB

Turn: (24 BB, 2 players) 3♥
SB bets 15 BB, Hero calls 14 BB and is all-in

River: (52 BB, 2 players) T♥

Spoiler

SB shows A♣ T♠ (Full House, Tens full of Aces)
(Pre 46%, Flop 92%, Turn 95%)
Hero shows 6♥ 6♠ (Two Pair, Tens and Sixes)
(Pre 54%, Flop 8%, Turn 5%)
SB wins 52 BB


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

One of those fishy player lines from villain in this one. Went for limp-call as facing shove with this hand will be awkward. Villain minraises which he should never really do versus limp. Nice flop and when villain check I am going for bet-bet-bet on good amount of run outs. Suddenly villain donk bet almost allin which does look strong but cant really fold this one. But its such stupid river donk bet

I am representing Ax with flop and turn bets so when he improves to full house it should be such clear check as I will shove Ax almost always and he would give me possibility to bluff. On top of that he wont even shove so he will actually lose few BB of value when I have it.

PokerStars - 15/30 NL (3 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): 20.17 BB
BB: 29.83 BB (VPIP: 80.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A♦ 7♣

Hero calls 0.5 BB, BB raises to 2 BB, Hero calls 1 BB

Flop: (4 BB, 2 players) A♣ A♥ 3♥
BB checks, Hero bets 2 BB, BB calls 2 BB

Turn: (8 BB, 2 players) T♣
BB checks, Hero bets 4 BB, BB calls 4 BB

River: (16 BB, 2 players) 2♣
BB bets 9 BB, Hero calls 9 BB

Spoiler

BB shows 2♥ A♠ (Full House, Aces full of Twos)
(Pre 38%, Flop 37%, Turn 36%)
Hero mucks A♦ 7♣ (Three of a Kind, Aces)
(Pre 62%, Flop 63%, Turn 64%)
BB wins 34 BB

This was sort of close spot. Price is just so great... Was weird villain who always minbet so he can have strong stuff also. When he min3bets river it obviously look strong.

PokerStars - 15/30 NL (3 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 31.83 BB (VPIP: 71.43, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)
Hero (SB): 18.17 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 4♣ 9♥

Hero calls 0.5 BB, BB checks

Flop: (2 BB, 2 players) 4♥ 5♠ 6♥
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (2 BB, 2 players) K♣
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (2 BB, 2 players) 9♦
BB bets 1 BB, Hero raises to 4 BB, BB raises to 7 BB, Hero calls 3 BB

Spoiler

BB shows 7♣ 8♣ (Straight, Nine High)
(Pre 49%, Flop 92%, Turn 100%)
Hero mucks 4♣ 9♥ (Two Pair, Nines and Fours)
(Pre 51%, Flop 8%, Turn 0%)
BB wins 16 BB


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Few more games but WTF happened here?!

PokerStars - 10/20 NL (3 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 51 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 100.00, 3Bet Preflop: 100.00, Hands: 1)
Hero (BB): 24 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 6♥ 7♥

SB raises to 2 BB, Hero calls 1 BB

Flop: (4 BB, 2 players) 8♥ Q♥ 5♥
Hero checks, SB bets 1 BB, Hero raises to 3.5 BB, SB calls 2.5 BB

Turn: (11 BB, 2 players) 8♠
Hero bets 6 BB, SB raises to 45.5 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 12.5 BB and is all-in

River: (48 BB, 2 players) 9♣

Spoiler

Hero shows 6♥ 7♥ (Flush, Queen High)
(Pre 67%, Flop 97%, Turn 91%)
SB shows 2♦ 5♣ (Two Pair, Eights and Fives)
(Pre 33%, Flop 3%, Turn 9%)
Hero wins 48 BB


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

WARNING WARNING: Bit of run bad whining below:

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Oh well... Really really annoying sng sessions today. You know those times when you always run in nuts in wrong moments and winning preflop allin feels like a miracle? Had pretty much that for 4-5 hours. Most disgusting ones were in 50€ games where I shoved 66 from BU 20bb deep. SB was same stack depth and BB 6bb deep. SB wakes up with AA. Alternative line would have been minraise-fold versus SB and call versus BB. But that has two downsides. I open door for SB to shove (well he was somewhat passive) and also BB is imo able to play bit better by flatting some hands and seeing flop. But yeah I dont mind shove just so ugly that SB wakes with top few % range.

In other 50€ lost two flips in row and bubbled from big chip leader position. In 100€ had chance to get big stack to bubble but lost KQ<J8 in 4 handed. Aggro BU shoved for 10bb so KQs was easy call. Yeah and in one more 50€ had AQ<JJ collision on bubble as chip lead versus other big stack. Plus lot of other stuff like that on 50 and 25 games.

But yeah just have been same crap for last two weeks. But its far from first bad run I have had. These comes and goes :)

Got around 75h last month with bit over 3k€ profit plus some extra from coaching. Aiming for 100h this month. Gym situation is still in bit need of improvement. Need to make it at least 2.5x per week. Well this week had only one gym session but I suppose helping niece in her apartment move was pretty decent workup. Carrying heavy wooden work desk up in one of those "circular stairs" was pretty annoying. Also sofa was so long that it required bit of planning to move. We actually had to remove legs from it to get it inside new apartment. From old one we had to use window as it was too long to get out from door

But one big positive side is that I have been able to sleep decently well recently. Which gives some needed energy for day activities and poker as well. But yeah more volume in poker and sooner or later run will get bit hotter.


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Couple hands from 15$ spins from moment ago:

In flop its ok either way imo. Cbet or not that is. But I have strong kicker on my bottom pair and no backdoor draws so I prefer to bet for value and protection. Now suddenly villain check-raises and these are often interesting spots. So villain had been aggro preflop and I had not seen any strong hands he would have checked versus limp. So I have my doubts about how many Ax he has in his range or more like if there is any of them. Sometimes villain might check-raise strong Qx but that is sort of similar thing. How often villain checks QK, QJ? Sometimes probably but its not like he would often raise those on flop. I have been limping Ax and one of those has gone to showdown.

Also I block Q7 which is most likely value combo and I dont have any blockers into flush draw. So nice candidate for some hero call stuff. Turn is total blank so calling his overshove. Also if he had raised like QJ on flop its reeeeeally unlikely he would over shove it on turn.

PokerStars - 20/40 NL (3 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): 22.95 BB
BB: 14.55 BB (VPIP: 78.95, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 21)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 7♣ J♦

Hero calls 0.5 BB, BB checks

Flop: (2 BB, 2 players) A♥ 7♥ Q♦
BB checks, Hero bets 1 BB, BB raises to 2.48 BB, Hero calls 1.48 BB

Turn: (6.95 BB, 2 players) 8♦
BB bets 11.08 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 11.08 BB

River: (29.1 BB, 2 players) 5♣

Spoiler

BB shows 4♦ 3♦ (High Card, Ace)
(Pre 39%, Flop 8%, Turn 18%)
Hero shows 7♣ J♦ (One Pair, Sevens)
(Pre 61%, Flop 92%, Turn 82%)
Hero wins 29.1 BB

Versus same villain bit earlier had this hand where I got him to snap call river. Always feels nice :f_wink:

So obvious limp hand versus aggro villain especially and he raises small which is fine for me. Decent flop and his cbet is small so mandatory call. On turn I could bet but my kicker is weak and if I face check-shove its pretty awkward spot. But I think I could get some Ax, QJ to call. But even on blank river its bit thin to shove for value. Well possible but spot that is again fine either way imo.

Anyway I check and river is best possible. Also its great card on multiple sides. So lets think of my range on flop. I could have any of pairs, good amount of gutshots and flush draws. When turn and river pairs it will decrease somewhat on my Kx and 9x combos. Also I did check turn which I would sometimes do with Kx as well but not always obviously. Same with 9x. So ton of drawing hands has missed but also 5x got counterfeited. My value range is only going to be full houses and nothing more so its extremely polarizing spot of nuts or air and great for big bet. So after moment of thinking I went for 1.5x pot shove and got villain to snap call. His call was fine as he has very little bad blockers. Btw if villain had slowplayed turn with Kx he should always check river as well. But I think many players on player pool is not doing that as they are so "scared" of checkbacks.

PokerStars - 15/30 NL (3 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): 17.67 BB
BB: 32.33 BB (VPIP: 80.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 11)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8♠ 9♠

Hero calls 0.5 BB, BB raises to 2.5 BB, Hero calls 1.5 BB

Flop: (5 BB, 2 players) K♣ 5♦ 9♦
BB bets 1.87 BB, Hero calls 1.87 BB

Turn: (8.73 BB, 2 players) K♠
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (8.73 BB, 2 players) 9♣
BB checks, Hero bets 13.3 BB and is all-in, BB calls 13.3 BB

Spoiler

Hero shows 8♠ 9♠ (Full House, Nines full of Kings)
(Pre 41%, Flop 76%, Turn 86%)
BB shows T♣ A♥ (Two Pair, Kings and Nines)
(Pre 59%, Flop 24%, Turn 14%)
Hero wins 35.33 BB


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Sort of close spot today in 10x 15$ spingo. So BU had been pretty aggro and shoved 10bb. Thought that folding A9o would be bit weak but not sure if calling or shoving would be better. Obviously folding to BB shove which should only come from big Ax or decent pocket pair.

Checked this with HRC and if BU shoves 27.0%, 22+ Ax K9s+ KTo+ Q9s+ QJo J9s+ T9s and BB overcall 8.0%, 66+ ATs+ AJo+ this would still be +0.2. Hard to see BU being tighter than that.

PokerStars - 10/20 NL (3 max) - Holdem - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): 34.25 BB
BB: 31 BB (VPIP: 36.36, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
BTN: 9.75 BB (VPIP: 43.75, PFR: 26.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 36)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9♣ A♠

BTN raises to 9.75 BB and is all-in, Hero raises to 34.25 BB and is all-in, BB calls 30 BB and is all-in

Flop: (71.75 BB, 3 players) 6♥ A♦ 4♠

Turn: (71.75 BB, 3 players) 6♣

River: (71.75 BB, 3 players) 5♥

Hero shows 9♣ A♠ (Two Pair, Aces and Sixes)

Main Pot [29.25 BB]: (Pre 19%, Flop 12%, Turn 9%)
Side Pot#1 [42.5 BB]: (Pre 27%, Flop 13%, Turn 10%)

BB shows A♥ K♦ (Two Pair, Aces and Sixes)

Main Pot [29.25 BB]: (Pre 57%, Flop 75%, Turn 83%)
Side Pot#1 [42.5 BB]: (Pre 73%, Flop 87%, Turn 90%)

BTN shows J♠ A♣ (Two Pair, Aces and Sixes)

Main Pot [29.25 BB]: (Pre 24%, Flop 13%, Turn 9%)

BB wins 71.75 BB


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Pretty bad run this month on my main games but still bit over 1k€ on plus. Quite a few setups in bubbles and especially one reggy guy just can't seem to lose preflop allin versus me. Haven't checked hours so far.

Have played some 300 15$ spins on stars and around 400$ below EV. EV still on profit but last games have been pretty absurd. Like getting ton of top20% hands in HU 10bb deep and opponents waking with better ones, blah. Seems like villains tend to be way underbluffing postflop in this small sample so have made some likely too light calls now and then. Tends to be otherway around in elsewhere.

Though have to say that spins have been played on my laptop in living room where following some sport etc. at same time. So not great focus. I think cEV was around 70 per game and real like 5.


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Heh sorry but bit more whining. Played few more spins today before sauna. When ended checked result and it was around 500$ below EV. Out of curiosity checked BB/100 data and at least BU has worked in 3 handed. Well I suppose big portion of it is that often there is some sort of whale who way overplay hands in 3 handed. Small amount of hands obviously as well.

Anyway after sauna played normal session and I would say it was just absurd stuff. Nothing new in recent times. Good side is that hours is currently over 50 for month so hitting 100 seems plausible. Cannot even be closely happy about hourly so far for this month but sometimes poker is about walking on roses (thorny ones) and just putting volume in.


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Primrose6789
Joined: 01.07.2016

Ghale, everything I read in your last posts could come also from me. So, you´re not alone with your bad run, exactly the same happens to me. Maybe it makes you feel a bit better to know that you are not alone with that crap. I´m struggling too.


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Not too much stuff to talk about in poker side. Has been playing (too low volume) in my usual games. Hourly for this year has been close to 40€ so that has hit my target. At least this month started nice with +650€ so far. Hopefully continues hot for week or two.

Has been quite a bit of garden project going on as decided to build area for the swing. First had to dig around 20cm off on 11m2 area. That was quite a job as that ground was really really thick. E.g. basically getting shovel few cm down took quite a bit of force. Well luckily we had machine on loan that is created to "turn the ground". That helped to break the surface nicely. After hole was ready we placed sort of material splitting canvas there to stop anything from growing on surface. Then added gravel and finer installation sand. After that lot of precise work to get tiles perfectly in position. I could take some pictures about final result tomorrow but I think it went pretty much perfectly overall.

Also swing itself need some maintaining. Going to replace some of wood in it but it should be pretty nice after that and some extra wood oil :)

PS: Might popup as quest in Moshman's stream this month.


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