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KK with flush draw, correct river fold?

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daxtrader
Joined: 01.02.2017

A weird hand, I felt the aggression was telling me that I was behind to an ace or better, I think I made the right decision on the river?

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 100 BB
SB: 103.5 BB (VPIP: 26.32, PFR: 21.05, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)
BB: 127.5 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
UTG: 289 BB (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 27)
UTG+1: 46 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)
MP: 50 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
MP+1: 100 BB (VPIP: 7.69, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
MP+2: 202.5 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
CO: 94.5 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K♥ K♠

UTG raises to 2.5 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, UTG calls 6.5 BB

Flop: (19.5 BB, 2 players) 6♠ A♠ 7♠
UTG checks, Hero bets 10 BB, UTG raises to 25 BB, Hero calls 15 BB

Turn: (69.5 BB, 2 players) 7♦
UTG bets 33.5 BB, Hero calls 33.5 BB

River: (136.5 BB, 2 players) 2♥
UTG bets 66 BB, fold

UTG wins 131.5 BB


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Yes, you are behind here.


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lfcmichael
Joined: 30.10.2016

The flop and turn are OK to call, I think, as we have hit a FD to the nuts. When that flush doesn’t happen, I would fold the river.

Also, it’s a full-ring game, so UTG is opening with a very tight range, I expect. Followed by this aggression, he’s representing a lot of strength.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I basically agree with the posts above but there is one thing that is bothering me a bit. As lfcmichael mentioned this is full-ring and UTG should be very tight. In my opinion he should be very tight on 6max games also and my UTG calling range simply would have nothing here. Same thing with Snowie's ranges. If villain calls 66 or 77 after opening 2.5bb and facing a 9bb 3bet when only 100bb deep, I think that is not very great. AA should obviously be 4bet and since As and Ks are already known he simply shouldn't have any flushes.

I think fold is ok but that is based only on the fact that villain is fairly unknown and we are playing NL2 so there is a good chance he simply does not know what hands he should be calling pre when facing a relatively big 3bet when he is UTG on FR games :f_biggrin:


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KingKlaas
Joined: 13.12.2008

Why bet flop?
I think i would check behind here and call turn bet if it's not a spade.
If villain doesn't bet turn i bet myself.
On this board i only see 1 street value without extra spade.


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sdf256
Joined: 21.07.2016

KingKlaas mentioned a good option to check the flop. But I think bet/calling here isnt bad because you have a FD to nuts. OTT I would be afraid. Really afraid (his check/raise OTF is a very strong line with possible set/2pairs). Now even if you hit the FD its not 100% nuts as he can have a full house. I think folding and calling are both fine. If you call its basicly hit or fold and that isnt horrible according to the implied odds you get in case you hit(but remember it could be reversed implied odds). But then folding has its advantages as well. You invested only 34BB yet and I think its still fine to fold and save yourself from a trouble spot OTR. I actually prefer folding.

I have a quesiton to you guys. What is his range? I dont really know. A7s, A6s? 77, 66 wouldnt be a good setmine preflop against this sizing I think. But at nl2 you never know. That is why Im even more inclined to fold .


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I think what his range SHOULD be is about: 88-QQ,AK, maybe some AQ hands. He could choose to 3bet QQ, he could choose to call 77, but roughly it should be around that.


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arvis77
Joined: 22.02.2017

I very unlucky with AA all time all can win with 57 Q2 and other i playing in ps , if we have same QJoff you can loose vs 4card flush on board..;D


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sdf256
Joined: 21.07.2016

Originally posted by la55i
I think what his range SHOULD be is about: 88-QQ,AK, maybe some AQ hands. He could choose to 3bet QQ, he could choose to call 77, but roughly it should be around that.

I meant his range on the river. The range you said is probably his range preflop if I understood it right. In that case I have a question out of topic: AK from utg facing a 3bet is a call or 4bet?


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Yea that was the preflop range I would put him on. So OTR it would be difficult to put him on any good hands. He could sometimes maybe have those 66,77 and then maybe he can play something like AxQs or some pocket pairs with a spade like this. Or then he calls with a weird range pre and has flushes here also.

About AK facing a 3bet, I would most often call, but it depends a bit how wide you open from UTG. But considering this is full ring I think UTG should be very tight and other guys should 3bet him with very tight range, so I would mostly put AK in to calling range.


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