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Spin&GO - winrate good or bad?

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LacsapR
Joined: 14.07.2011

Hi all,

after playing cash I wanted to try something else and started playing spins. I really like that format although it's pretty frustrating from time to time as you have bad beats very often. But I'm sure that you can beat the game having the right strategy.

So far I went through the spin articles here on pokerstrategy as well as some videos to adjust the game to a higher level without playing push/fold only.

Unfortuantely there is not that many strategy for spins available here comapred to cash. Therefore it's pretty hard to improve the play by your own and find out how good you perform. This is why I'd like to share my graph here to find out how I'm doing. I'd be happy if some advanced spin players would give me a feedback on my performance.

So far I played about 900 spins (95% on the $1), I know this is not a sufficient sample size but it should give an indication though already. I've already had a 50 buy-in downswing but could fight back.
I saw in some threads that the winnings graph matters in spins, here it is:

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In addition here my money winnings graph, although this seems not to be that important

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Looking forward to some feedback! Also I'd be glad about some hints where to find some more strategy input to improve the play :)

Kind regards,
Lacsap


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Constantin11
Joined: 16.08.2012

Hey, LacsapR!

You have around 50-53 cEv so far. So you are slightly winning. I think around 39-41 Cev might be breakeven at $1, not sure tho'.

You probably don't defend enough pre and post (or at least that might be true for the 2nd part, not sure what happened there).

SpinLegends has a lot of content. The most basic videos they have and the starting ranges will be enough to crush $1. And after that foundation it only gets better when it comes to quality content.


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LacsapR
Joined: 14.07.2011

well yes defending more especially post is for sure one of my leaks.

what is your volume playing the spinlegends? Don't think that I play enough for this.


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Constantin11
Joined: 16.08.2012

2K+ spins I think.


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Pakichu777
Joined: 14.06.2011

You can get pretty far with a HU SNG videopack, from this site, or any other.

If you really want to make a living from this, I think you should join a stable. Very few people manage to get anywhere w/o the structure and knowledge that a stable can provide. I'd say most stables have similar content for beginners (up to $30 level). The most important part of entering a stable is the amount of games until end of contract (20k being low, 50k being absurd). You'll be in a good position to negotiate reasonable deals once you beat 30's and up. A google search will allow you to contact many of them, and then make an informed decision.

Sadly there's no real strategy for Spin's free or easily available. It's the next El Dorado in poker, and people learned from previous mistakes, and monetize their knowledge now.

edit: There are some guys on twitch though, if you fully focus, you could pick it up from that. But w/o the deeper understanding behind a play, i'm not sure it'll help much


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LacsapR
Joined: 14.07.2011

Well yea I don't wanna play poker for living, more like a nice side income. I'd love to improve my game on my own first but the problem is really that there is almost no content available unless you join a stacking contract....that's really sad. If I could hold that volume in a stacking is questionable. I'd need more infos on that but I could get it by making a sign in request.

Hoped someone could give me a nice hint on where to find more content, but seems like there is no :/

Which twitch guys could you recommend?


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Pakichu777
Joined: 14.06.2011

I don't generally watch them. So i can't recommend anyone. You're probably best off watching a 15 or 30 player. Someone that explains stuff.

There's some YouTube content too. The problem is it's going to be hard to build up a game plan from all these scraps. Doable perhaps if you spend time on it.


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Vherrero
Joined: 11.03.2015

Hey there! Well for a better understanding about your winrate we need some infos like: Exactly ChipsEv in total and exactly the number os tournaments you played!

Note that even in 2k games your Cev/t can be 15 chips difference up or down, the most important thing in Spins are the Cev/t (number of total evchips divided by number of total tournaments played) at the 1$ you can try to aim 65cev/t so you will be a winning player

Some useful tips:
Play tight at BU 3h, different that others pokers variants, when we are at the BU we must have the top of our range because the blinds defend incredible wide
Dont open raise big! opening 2.5x+ is a waste of money, since most players wont fold to thoses sizes and if you open 2x with bluffs and 3x it will give massive reads, so make simple and just minraise
For improving your postflop strategy try to watch some cash game videos since it's very similar (our plays in spins are always based on expected chips value just like cash game) the major difference is adapting your game to short stack gameplay

I think with a solid understanding and basic strategy with some adaptations you will be able to crush de 1$ or at least be very profitable

edit1: mostly importante thing is the mindset! since it's a really fast game you will be in awkward situations often and get called by some weird stuff and for sure you will get a lot of bad beats, so be ready to get you AK beaten when you shove 25bb and a guy pays with his A3o on a 6x multiplier and suck you out xD


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Hey LascapR,

I start next week a twitch chanel, with spin & go content only.
Except of strategy , I will be talking about the correct mindset and analyze how brutal the swings could be in short term.

Maybe you could follow the threat for schedule announcements in the sit& go sector
Furthermore I will be giving away Hand charts for low buy ins & beginners etc.

Kind Regards Delo


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here is a Graph with my results so far this year!
most of the games are 30s , about 2k 60s & and 260 games 100s.

As you see , winning graph could also look like this, having a big red line ;)


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LacsapR
Joined: 14.07.2011

Worked a lot on my red line, it's at least now break even over the last 1k tournaments.
Thanks for giving the hint! I'll try to check our your stream ;)


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I didnt mean you need to have a red line like this.
It is still possible to have same cEV/T and have a break even red Line

gl at the tables mate
https://www.twitch.tv/delomat
Channel goes LIVE on 14.05 18:00 CEST


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LacsapR
Joined: 14.07.2011

sure. But shouldn't be negative though :) GL


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