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River raise?

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Tonyx86
Joined: 28.03.2018

Good evening,

i think until river its pretty much standard. But OTR villain donk pots. I mean, a fold is out of any discussion. But if we raise, do we ever get called by less than a flush? It´s more likely he got sth like 54 or so. What kind of hands is villain donk betting here?

partypoker - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 106 BB (VPIP: 23.08, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 27)
SB: 70.4 BB (VPIP: 25.45, PFR: 17.27, 3Bet Preflop: 2.38, Hands: 112)
BB: 78.8 BB (VPIP: 10.34, PFR: 10.34, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 31)
UTG: 151.6 BB (VPIP: 19.51, PFR: 16.56, 3Bet Preflop: 9.70, Hands: 791)
Hero (MP): 100 BB
CO: 101.4 BB (VPIP: 20.32, PFR: 15.94, 3Bet Preflop: 4.26, Hands: 261)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A♠ 8♠

fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (6.4 BB, 2 players) 4♣ 4♠ 3♠
BB checks, Hero bets 3 BB, BB calls 3 BB

Turn: (12.4 BB, 2 players) 6♠
BB checks, Hero bets 5.8 BB, BB calls 5.8 BB

River: (24 BB, 2 players) 5♣
BB bets 22.8 BB, Hero call OR raise???


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

I would just call here, or you have reads he can only play a full house like this.
He needs to over play a weaker flush or a straight or something to make a shove profitable.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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Sunrise1912
Joined: 24.11.2009

I am shoving all day here. He calls with every 7, every 4 and every lower flush, mb he even calls with a random deuce.

If he has a full house so be it but he has tons of weaker hands that he calls of with.


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Ac3onth3riv3r
Joined: 17.02.2017

I call here. Raise is not ok on a paired board unless we have some info about villian

But if we raise, do we ever get called by less than a flush?

Nobody can answer you this question. You have no info. Maybe you get called, maybe you dont. Just call and take a note


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Tonyx86
Joined: 28.03.2018

I'm glad we dont have a clear decision here.

Of course he can donkbet with worse than a full, worrying to get a check behind from sets or 2pair, but i dont think he is willing to call with sets and even straights.


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TurokRider
Joined: 21.10.2011

Shoving here is, imo, pointless. You will hardly ever get paid by a weaker flush (or less), so you either get the pot you already have, or you are beat by a house.

I'm calling all day long on this paired board.


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TurokRider
Joined: 21.10.2011

BTW, I don't like a raise either. Yes, you will get an easy call from some strong flushes and sets, but what if he (bluff-) shoves with those? Calling will be a tough decision.


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Tonyx86
Joined: 28.03.2018

Originally posted by TurokRider
BTW, I don't like a raise either. Yes, you will get an easy call from some strong flushes and sets, but what if he (bluff-) shoves with those? Calling will be a tough decision.

+1

Calling or shoving. A raise doesnt make any sense, as we're committing ourselves.

Thx guys.


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DecMate
Joined: 25.01.2009

I think I'd shove. The guy looks suspect, 73bb startin stack and as someone above said he could go broke with weaker flushes, a straight or some random 4x (OK probably not the 4x )


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Tonyx86
Joined: 28.03.2018

He had A2 and i just have called.


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