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NL10 Overpair faces RR on a wet flop

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fghexeIII
Joined: 04.03.2018

BB stats: 34/14, agg 2.2, 3bet 8.1 over 501 hands

pretty typical spot with a fish. I know lots of people prefer to fold to any aggression from a passive fish postflop. still wondering what do you think about this spot? I was not considering a call at all. so it's rather a shove or fold. the fold is kinda nitty tho. Shove? I think i might be a dog against his calling range. only fold equity which turns my OP into a bluff. that's my thoughts.

Hero (SB): $10 (100 bb)
BB: $14.86 (148.6 bb)
UTG+1: $6.69 (66.9 bb)
UTG+2: $4 (40 bb)
MP1: $24.16 (241.6 bb)
MP2: $9.38 (93.8 bb)
MP3: $9.55 (95.5 bb)
CO: $18.06 (180.6 bb)
BTN: $13.09 (130.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T♦: T♥:
7 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.60) 8♦: 4♣: 9♣: (2 players)
Hero bets $0.60, BB raises to $1.50, Hero?


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Spud1
Joined: 30.07.2014

I think its quite tough.

- folding is too nitty,
- jamming i think just isolates you against better
- calling gives the draws frees cards

Perhaps I'm too passive, but I think my preference would be just to call, i think with QQ+ the call becomes clearer as we have less protection issues, but even with TT i think we can call here, probably look to call a safe turn and fold to a bet on the river


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fghexeIII
Joined: 04.03.2018

thank you a lot. a very helpful and full reply. I find it quite tricky to go on with the hand by calling though. but it looks like the only feasible way out


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Spud1
Joined: 30.07.2014

I'm not an expert, will see if others agree with me or not


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Zotyibacsi97
Joined: 20.05.2015

His/him range is somewat ----> 44, 88, 99, 89 and all the draws. Open equilab and see your % vs his range (im on mobile so i can't do it) if you ahead you can push (high variance play care).


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fghexeIII
Joined: 04.03.2018

it's pretty much break even. but we have some fold equity


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Grossmeiseter
Joined: 15.10.2007

I would fold here without knowing anything Else. If we broke on Flop WE are pretty much crushed. Imo this is redicoulus and pretty Bad. Calling could be an Option If we could realise the EV against the draws and his bluffs. But with two Cards left and oop ITS to tough for me and probably Not + EV


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DjolusVicenus
Joined: 15.11.2009

First are does really fish stats? looks more on regular side with a bit wider calling range... So I would not classify your villan as fish... just a bit looser opponent..

As had is played I think fold is good. Reasons are that people are too tight *I assume this is zoom* and overall you make more money when you do slight overfold, as for this spot I could not fold to 2,5x so I would call and check back most turns...

One more point, On mine HUD I have cbet flop/tunr/river tendencies so IF villan have cbet flop ip around 65-80 range I would check defend TT vs him...

His rise range should have a lot of bluff hands so ITs etremly hard for me not to call that small rise...


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AthleticAZ
Joined: 19.09.2009

I think that this spot is not too bad for a x/c OTF. I kind of like to check here. We have a redraw and good protection for x/c range.


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MuskTfujWruk
Joined: 11.12.2009

I don't like here fold at all. This is a blind war. Stats: 34/14, agg 2.2 mean not alot in this case. Ranges are much wider. Aggression could be also different.

If you are folding TT, what hands you can continue on so small raise?
I would not play x/c also. By x/c you lose value and not protect your hand.
I would also not play b/c. I would consider it but only with good knowlage what opponent do on turn with draws and why this is a miniraise on flop.

By default i would say that he doesn't have 2 pairs and sets here. I would also not say that he has TT+

For me this is not easy but bet/3bet.

As this is a blind war opponent can have here 9x and protect his hand. By miniraise he can see where is he. He doesn't want to see many cards on T/R.
If he can throw you out of the pot from premium hands like QcTx , AcJx, KcXx etc., which you could have and double or tripple barrel sometimes on good cards, this is a right defend for him. If he can throw you out from TT, it's even better.

I would go for bet/3bet. If he call 3bet and turn is a blank or high card not complementing the flush, i would push.
Additionally you want to have some stackoff range wider than only AA, 2 pairs+

Of course I can be totally wrong here, but this is my thinking.
Sorry for my English!


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MyFloXyBabY
Joined: 15.02.2010

I'm really surprised so few advocate a bet/call as it feels like the most standard bet/call for me here !
And I find it hard to qualify a player a "passive fish" when he has 2,2 AF and 8% 3bet. So no his flop raise in a blind war doesn't mean the end of the world.
And turning our good hand into a bluff (whereas we are blocking some of his) isn't a good idea either come on.


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