BAD BEAT AFTER BAD BEAT AFTER BAD BEAT!! CAN I REALLY BE THIS UNLUCKY? ANYONE PLAY ON BLACKCHIP POKR

And again, 99 has almost 20% equity against JJ when you ship it pre. Roll a dice, are you amazed that sometimes it is a 6.
What poker room you are playing on is irrelevant. Poker rooms don't have incentive to rig the random number generator. If you are playing 1 tournament per day and complaining after you have lost 5 tournaments, that doesn't make any sense. Do you use a tracking software? Show us some data that we can analyze.

Downswings are normal. If you play cash, you can be losing for 10k hands even if you are a winning player normally.

Btw, are you also saying that you never hit a 2 outer or win the hand when you started with 20% equity?

Yeah, the others basically said everything.

I do not play on Blackchip, but if you feel like you run super bad on that site, there's some bad mojo there for you or the feng shui is broken whatever, just leave that site and play elsewhere.

Or in general just take a couple of weeks off the tables, clear your head and come back with renewed energy.

@la55i I 200% agree about the RNG ("Random Number Generator") wich is the card distribution to make short , on the other hand the equity of your hand and the variance on some poker rooms isn't totally random due to variance emulators but else the situation described doesn't look unusual especially without any data provided to correlate or not the assumption made.

On some try casino Roulette and bet on red & black , double up until your color comes. On some rooms the behavior will be normal and on some other including a big name you can bet 15 times on the same color but the opposite color will come up wich is an unusual behavior compared to real life odds.
Same goes for poker as well, Online Poker is Online Poker and Real Life Poker is Real Life Poker , both are different.
To the curious people check CLI certifications pdfs provided on Game Lab the company that authenticated Pokerstars and some others. If you look into it you will clearly understand the difference between Real Poker and what is called "Electronic Poker" to be accurate on the terminology.

To conclude the best you can do is provide samples of your claimings. If not and you still feel cheated play on an other poker room.For peoples who feels the same way , try mixing between poker rooms. When on a downswing with one play less on that one and play more on others.
Lower the stake or if you play a SNGs T 9P then play the same stake but 180P and a lower number of tables until it pass.
No magic formula/Technic/Coaching/Book/Poker Tool will ever guarantee you to win on a human long run and this even if you are skilled.Keep a good BRM , Don't Put your eggs in the same basket and good speed.

Best of Skills & Luck @ Tables,
OldSchoolPapa.

Hi nico1029,
It is a matter of faith.
Poker is a game of small edges, and if you have an edge -- no matter how small -- you will be a winning player in the long term.

PokerStrategy.com exists to give you that edge. Study the articles, watch the videos, attend the coachings, and practice what you learn. Do this at small stakes at first, and make sure that you never risk what you cannot comfortably lose. (It appears you are not comfortable losing).

Now that you have small edge, and you are generally better than your opponents, it still may take a long time to realize a profit.

Have a look at this graph:[1]

It shows the winnings of 20 different players with a 2.5 BB/100 (big blinds won per hundred hands) each playing 100,000 hands.

Note that most of them are winning, a few are break-even or nearly so, but the worst has lost over 7500 big blinds.
Note that the lower your "true" winrate is, the less you will win. If your win rate is negative, you will lose over time. Get studying.

Now the faith part
 If you do not believe that the site is fair, you are foolish to play there.
 If you are not enjoying yourself, you are foolish to continue -- find something else to do.

Learning to "suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune" is part of poker, and one of the great benefits of playing the game, is that you learn to take life's "bad beats" with balance.

BTW, I had a look at Black Chip -- it appears to be a part of the Winning Poker Network, which includes a site that I do play on.
It includes a vast number of "recreational" players who play far too many hands. It is important to adjust your own playing style for this type of player. PokerStrategy.com is where you learn how to do that.

Best of luck,
VS

[1] Here is the site that generated the graph, if you want to play around with different win rates, sample sizes etc.
http://www.pokerdope.com/poker-variance-calculator/

and again, my next aa. Its aa v a4. all in. I lose to a straight. lol so unreal

And that was a preflop shove or what happened?

If you can't show us any real data, then it would be better to stop complaining

Many of us are experienced poker players and we know what variance is. Some guys who put a huge volume could be complaining several times a day if they posted every time they had a bad beat. We haven't seen your graphs. We don't know how much above or under EV you are running. We don't know how often you really have lost those AA hands because you can't share the data with us. We don't even see the full hand history so we could evaluate if that was played correctly or not.

Again in your last post you say it was AA vs A4 but that doesn't tell us anything. There was 4 to a straight and villain shipped OTR and you just decided to call?

preflop all in we both we at around 8k chips 2 levels left before reg ended. Action folded to me on high jack I shoved called by small blind. Heads up. hit the straight on the river. And I understand what a lot of you are saying. But regardless of my skill level or the way I played the hand, I don't feel as if I should be running into all these bad beats when having superior hands pre shove.

I have the site sending me all my AA hand history I should be receiving shortly

nico: Do you read the advices of the experienced players here??!!!! We try to help you and you don´t stop complaining. We told you at least 5 times that it´s normal, it´s variance, that´s part of the game and you should work on your (mental) game!!

Originally posted by nico1029
preflop all in we both we at around 8k chips 2 levels left before reg ended. Action folded to me on high jack I shoved called by small blind. Heads up. hit the straight on the river. And I understand what a lot of you are saying. But regardless of my skill level or the way I played the hand, I don't feel as if I should be running into all these bad beats when having superior hands pre shove.

I don't know much about tourneys as I'm a cash player but if you are deeper than 15-20bb or something like that you probably shouldn't straight up shove pre. 8k chips and 2 levels left before reg ends unfortunately doesn't tell me much.
But anyway, yea it is weird if you keep on losing these all the time. AA vs a random hand should lose only about 15% of the time. Because of variance this can be easily doubled on the short term. So I'm quite interested in the sample size you have. As I said in my earlier post, if you have 100 AA hands and have lost even 60 of them I'm surprised.

You should be getting AA every 221 hands on average, so to get 100 AA hands you would have had to play over 22k hands. If you have played less hands, there is not much point in looking at them because the variance could be very rough in the small term. So if you have had just 20 or 30 AA hands and lost over half of them, it really doesn't tell us anything yet.
You can check the picture posted by vorpal. Even if you really are winning 2.5bb/100 your results might be negative even after 100k hands and that would be normal variance.

Dude, i went trough a 40k hand downswing, no matter what hand i had i would lose.
I would get straight vs higher straight, would smash my face against runner runners, i would get beat on the river by 3 outs hands. Just take a break from poker and comeback when your mind is clear again.

Hey guys,

This is not an appropriate thread to be trolling as OP appears to be genuine about trying to understand variance, so I have removed the posts that are not relevant.

Regards

Laz

Okay then one more time: Poker is variance-heavy. Vorpal perfectly depicted variance. So NO, the site is not rigged and YES, you can have such a huge downswing. EVERYBODY here has already been there and we know how horrible that is. So listen to the experienced players!! And stop complaining, we try to help you!

are there any free poker huds available for download on windows?

Hi nico1029,
Yes, there is. It is called fpdb -- this is a link to the wiki page, from there you can decide whether or not you want to try it.
http://fpdb.wikidot.com/

This is free, open source and user-supported.
It is not for the faint of heart, and doesn't work with all rooms.
It should work with Blackchip though, since it works with America's Cardroom which is on the same network.

Best of luck!
VS

Like @Vorpal said, you can use FPDB. Its not very user friendly, but will do the trick.

Originally posted by nico1029
lmao perfect example, literally right after i just sent u that message, I just got knocked out again, after rebuying before reg ended, worked myself back intop the money at 23rd place, and just got knocked out AA to 74. turned a straight. First two tourneys of the day, and im 2 for 2 w the nonsense. I just cant understand it. This is literally every game smh. so annoying

you got your money in with aa vs 74 preflop or you bet 4streets he called and he made a str8 on river???
theres a big difference between the two
the first case youre ok, move on, the second you are not ok, learn more

I often have the similar feeling. It seems there may be a handful of players who are in reality bots run by Black Chip Poker. Nothing else explains the frequency with which the losing hand wins on the river. I just finished a tournament with K9, where I flopped two pair and got the guy slow-playing AA to go all in on the turn. 82% I win, but of course the river is an ace. If that happened once in awhile, it would be understandable-- that's how math works. But the tournament just previous to that ended when I had a suited QJ, flop came QQA, I checked, and I got 55 to go all in on the turn. 95%... river is his 5. I could go on-- My AA v. A3, he rivers a flush. My AA v 23, flop an A, he calls all-in, runner-runner 4 5 for his straight. AA v 4-8, all-in preflop-- why?-- but naturally a flush for him.

The math doesn't make sense. Something is going on on that site, and it has nothing to do with poor play or tilting or anything else. If I am consistently, significantly ahead when I go all-in, yet always lose-- that isn't how math works.

Hi smucko,,
Welcome to PokerStrategy.com

You are right — if you lose trust in a site, it makes sense to leave it.

However, you owe it to yourself to be familiar with variance.
Check out this site — and play with the numbers.
When it starts out it shows 20 runs of 100,000 hands for a player with a 10BB/100 winrate.
It is pure math — no cards are involved.
Check out the difference between the worst and the best — then play with the numbers.
https://www.primedope.com/poker-variance-calculator/

All the best,
VS