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zetozinho
Joined: 18.06.2017


I know... the board is terrible. This is a check-fold right? I mean, it's a 4bet pot, so I think we can rule out KK most of the times.
That leaves us TT, JJ, QQ, AK, AQ, maybe 99... The fold sucks but is correct right?


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schelleXL
Joined: 05.05.2011

correct fold, horrible board, the worst you can get.

and he's shortstack, he has nothing left.


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MyFloXyBabY
Joined: 15.02.2010

And there are still hh left !
You're keeping that forum section alive by yourself. Nice. It would get so boring without you. ;)

Awful board indeed but he has nothing left so it might be a call depending on what 4bet calling range you assign him. Could be quite wide BU vs CO you know. You need to be good 30% of the time to call and with the (maybe quite optimistic) range I put on Equilab AA has about 50% even on that ugly flop !


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Pokerruudje
Joined: 12.12.2007

Terrible flop! You only beat AQs/AQo. Youre right about KK -> BTNvsCO 5bet allin

Maybe on the flop a very low cbet...

As played a good Fold!


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Bebabcsinya
Joined: 01.12.2016

I think quite the opposite, imo it is a horrible fold. With a spr of 1:1 and your opponent most likely being a fish this is never ever a fold. So many hands you beat like T9,J9,AQ,KQ,KJ,QJ. Just because you wouldnt play those hands this way (3bet and call 4bet) doesnt mean others would do the same. And beacuse there some turns you dont want to see particularly 9,8 but also K,A I would just push


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pokerboy198229
Joined: 20.08.2011

definetely bet call, al lot of hands will pay you off expecially when shortstacked. I assumed that was the reason why your 4bet was so small pre yo get called on flop with wide range of hands


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zetozinho
Joined: 18.06.2017

Originally posted by pokerboy198229
I assumed that was the reason why your 4bet was so small pre yo get called on flop with wide range of hands

I think the 4bet size is ok for most spots. I 4bet to roughly 2.5, which is quite on the large side already.


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MyFloXyBabY
Joined: 15.02.2010

Standard size indeed. Could also probably go bigger at NL5 but whatever.


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Fanko
Joined: 24.08.2010

I guess versus the fish call would be profitable in the long run but it is for sure a high variance play.


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Tomaloc
Joined: 17.01.2011

the main consideration here regarding 4bet sizing is SPR. this sizing sets up the effective stacks to about pot, which is alright.
of course against a standard reg we're doing very badly, but folding against this particular opponent with a SPR of 1 seems extremely pessimistic. jam or check/jam it.


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MyFloXyBabY
Joined: 15.02.2010

Originally posted by Fanko
I guess versus the fish call would be profitable in the long run but it is for sure a high variance play.

Well, BU vs CO I have thight regs calling me with low PP so no it's not a fish thing. Asimos recently made a video about loosely calling 4bets even OOP...

And it's not "high variance play" it's just f*cking 4bet pot. How can you even talk about variance with such pot odds ? Calling a PSB is high variance now ? Come on.


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bigdog63
Joined: 24.10.2011

I also think this (without any specific read on villain) an awful fold. Villain is a small stack - so most likely not a reg. Therefore, he will have a wider 4bet calling range.


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MyFloXyBabY
Joined: 15.02.2010

Of course it's an awful board, that doesn't have anything to do with reads on villain. Whatever his range it's a bad board.
And he isn't short, just shallow. There are lots of shallow regs you know.


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