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NL 2 QQ bet fold turn ?

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rimka75
Joined: 04.12.2008

PokerStars - €0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 226 BB (VPIP: 17.91, PFR: 14.18, 3Bet Preflop: 10.81, Hands: 137)
Hero (UTG): 100 BB
CO: 145.5 BB (VPIP: 12.38, PFR: 9.52, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 110)
BTN: 124 BB (VPIP: 28.70, PFR: 26.85, 3Bet Preflop: 3.23, Hands: 110)
SB: 61.5 BB (VPIP: 47.17, PFR: 1.89, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 111)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q♠ Q♥

Hero raises to 3.5 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 3 BB, fold

Flop: (8 BB, 2 players) 2♠ 8♦ 6♦
SB checks, Hero bets 4 BB, SB calls 4 BB

Turn: (16 BB, 2 players) 2♦
SB checks, Hero bets 10 BB, SB raises to 54 BB and is all-in, fold

SB wins 34 BB

No reads on villain except a pokertracker note : (T) played turn draw agressively.

I don't know why but i wasn't happy with my bet fold turn.

I apologise in advance for my bad english, i am a french player :f_p:


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zetozinho
Joined: 18.06.2017

I see nothing wrong with the bet/fold. Your hand could still be the best hand OTT.


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filip212
Joined: 30.05.2010

on flop bet pot or over pot
on turn calling station is aggresive it should mean he have it but... In reality i cant imagine to fold hand like this against shortstack calling station on that turn because flush and trips comes... i think call and run it twice marked ;)


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MyFloXyBabY
Joined: 15.02.2010

I'd certainly not overbet that flop even though it's NL2 lol.
Nh as played.

I'm french too and it's sometimes hard to express myself properly without appearing really mean in my negative commentaries. I feel your pain bro. ;)


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Mozzek
Joined: 16.07.2016

Why wouldn´t you overbet OTF?

I would play it the same, maybe bigger sizing OTF as filip said. OTT I fold, raises OTT from fish are more weighted towards value.


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Talisker74
Joined: 17.08.2009

Bet Flop some bigger round 2/3 - potsize

That gives villain a bad price to draw

Turn you can bet/fold for a smaller price round 1/4 - 1/3 pot

With air you can Bluff bet here big 135% pot but fold to and action


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MyFloXyBabY
Joined: 15.02.2010

I just don't see the point of having an overbetting range from UTG on 862 and haven't ever heard of that strange idea elsewhere. The thing is villain isn't really capped and we can already make him fold his bad hands with a normal bet so I'd be surprised to see a solver do that and all, but then again I might be missing something. If anyone has insight on this feel free to enlighten me.


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Mozzek
Joined: 16.07.2016

Well, SB is a fish. So we can assume he never folds TP, probably not even 6x. He´s also gonna call with his FD. He can have overpairs, he´s never gonna fold those. And that´s just things I don´t doubt, he might call with GS or other garbage as well... So I would just go for value and either pot bet or overbet 1,5x.


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MyFloXyBabY
Joined: 15.02.2010

"Sb is a fish" is quite the shortcut here. You don't have his postflop stats... So ok potting should be alright but I don't see that much of a reason not to suppose his calling range has some elasticity either.


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Mozzek
Joined: 16.07.2016

Well in generall ppl at NL2 will station too much. Calling range pre in SB is also sign of a weaker player and stationing. This board is pretty drawy, which will incentivize weaker player to station even more. Also ppl and micro/low stakes are not really elastic vs different sizings. But Im not a solver, so can't say which sizing has the highest EV. However, I think we can agree, that we shouldn't bet merged, but polarized (66%+ PSB).


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zetozinho
Joined: 18.06.2017

Overbet OTF to be called by what? When you find yourself overbetting this spots quit cause you're on tilt.
It's not a particularly dangerous board. It's a regular pot. Not a 3bet pot or a 4bet pot.
You have position, that is the most valuable thing at poker. No need to rush anything.
I think you played the hand perfectly.
Forget all GTO stuff, range bullying, FPS, bet sizings. He checks twice, you bet twice, that's it, end of story. He check-raises you OTT to 5x, just fold and move to the next one, no need to burn your brain thinking about GTO calls and whatever.


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Mozzek
Joined: 16.07.2016

To be called by: 8x, 99-jj, fd, oesd. I think makes sense to overbet this, both explo and theory wise.

Btw most frequent sizings throughout different boards are 1/3 psb and overbet.


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Fanko
Joined: 24.08.2010

About 5BB cbet on the flop should be optimal. I like the sizing and the fold on the turn as well. Passive players will almost always have the flush here (or some FH, maybe even AA, KK with a diamond).


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